Napc 2008 - Page 4

crazykoby · 10-15-2008, 10:03 AM

Just to add a few more details. Play was really fast, a full orbit was taking around 10-15 minutes. The average chip stack was around 210,000

BigChrisEl · 10-15-2008, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by crazykoby

Hi All,

If this doesn't belong here sorry.

I would like anyone’s input on how you would have played this hand.

WPT – NAPC
Blinds are 2000/4000 Ante 500
There is roughly 10 minutes left of this blind, then will increase to 3000/6000 with 500 ante. The play for the most part has been really tight. Generally, any decent raise takes the pot.

I have 102,000 in chips

9 handed.
I’m in seat 3
Button is on seat 4
Small blind seat 5
Big blind seat 6
Seat 7 folds
Seat 8 raises to 21,000 My read on seat 8 is highly aggressive. He has been raising with any King or any Ace
Seat 9 folds
Seat 1 folds
Seat 2 folds
Seat 3 (Me) pocket 88

I imagine that most forumers have probably read about this hand, but in order to get feedback I will post how I played it after I get some feedback.

What are the other players stack size? Are they a named pro? Are there other named pros at your table?

With your stack size you have an M of less then 10 (9.7 actually) so you are looking to ship it in but you can pick your spots. With the blinds going up your M will drop to 7.

Problem with shipping is that if you get called you are either behind a pair of against two over. Also if you ship the pot will be 133500 and will only be 81K for them to call meaning they are getting a good price to call.

g2 · 10-15-2008, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by crazykoby

Kathy had me cover.
Kathy was not the raiser, kathy was in BB
The raiser, raiser with Ax/Kx from any postion

Did the raiser have you covered?

I still fold. I don't think the pot size you win when no one wakes up with a hand (the original raiser, button, or blinds) is enough to justify risking your stack for.

Maybe someone who plays more by the math can post an analysis. I play more by feel.

/g2

g2 · 10-15-2008, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChrisEl

Also if you ship the pot will be 133500 and will only be 81K for them to call meaning they are getting a good price to call.

Not a good price for Ax/Kx. Only for a strong ace or medium-high pocket pair.

/g2

crazykoby · 10-15-2008, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChrisEl

What are the other players stack size? Are they a named pro? Are there other named pros at your table?

With your stack size you have an M of less then 10 (9.7 actually) so you are looking to ship it in but you can pick your spots. With the blinds going up your M will drop to 7.

Problem with shipping is that if you get called you are either behind a pair of against two over. Also if you ship the pot will be 133500 and will only be 81K for them to call meaning they are getting a good price to call.

Button had about 90K, Small Blind 160K, BB (Kathy L) 310K, Orginal raiser 250K
Kathy was the only named pro that i knew

BigChrisEl · 10-15-2008, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by g2

Not a good price for Ax/Kx. Only for a strong ace or medium-high pocket pair.

/g2

Enough for them call any 60/40 race when they are on the 40 end.(Especially if they have big chips). So if they are sitting there with J-10 or Q-J they may call thinking you have something like AK/AQ or under pair and decide to go for it.

I would lean towards folding in general because at best you are looking at a coin flip situation. It is highly unlikely that if they have a pair lower then 8's that they will call.

actyper · 10-15-2008, 11:17 AM

Did you transpose the 12k/21k? 5x raise seems rather large, is that normal? Calling definately not an option. Raising other than shoving not an option.

crazykoby · 10-15-2008, 11:26 AM

You read it correctly. 21K was the raise

Choron · 10-15-2008, 11:32 AM

So how did it end up for you? How did you play it? I would have been traumatized in your spot but I'm sure I would be able to pick up some more information than you are giving us

I probably would have reshoved but that really really depends on how aggressive the openner really is!

crazykoby · 10-15-2008, 11:39 AM

I decided to shove all in. My read on the Initial raiser was spot on. however i walked into the BB (Kathy L) holding pocket KK. The initial raiser folded and when Kathy and I tabled our cards he announced that he had folded A8

Graham · 10-15-2008, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by actyper

fyi Ryan Fisler runs Real Poker Training Poker Videos School with David Williams, BodogAri, jusgivithere, NSXT2 Good guy.

I met Ryan in Monte Carlo when I went out to watch my brother play the EPT. He was a really nice guy and I hope he takes this one down.

crazykoby, tough break. Sucks when you make what is the right read on one player, then another player comes out of nowhere with a bigger hand.

Wetts1012 · 10-15-2008, 02:13 PM

Joe Zappia just got eliminated - had no idea he was still in.

He was a Riverroom regular when it was at its second location.

g2 · 10-15-2008, 05:35 PM

NAPC Tourney Director fucks up the ruling on a pretty trivial mistake....

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Hand #43 - Sam Greenwood completes from the small blind for 16,000, and Gavin Smith checks his option in the big blind. The flop comes 10

8

3

, Greenwood bets 25,000, Smith raises to 70,000, and then ... craziness.

The dealer misunderstood Gavin's action as a call, and puts out the turn card -- the K

. A floorperson is called over for a ruling, and the king will stay out on the board, but it won't be part of the hand. Greenwood has to decide whether or not to call Gavin's raise. Then the river card will be put out normally, and they will act as if it is the turn. When that round is done, the K

will be reshuffled into the deck, and a new turn card will be placed on the board, and they will have their final round of betting. Effectively, the river card becomes the turn card, and the king is reshuffled so they can pull out a new river card. Confusing? Don't worry, because most of this didn't happen.

Greenwood calls the additional 45,000, and the river/turn card is the 3

. Greenwood checks, Gavin Smith bets 128,000, and Greenwood folds. Gavin Smith takes the pot.

The TD should have shuffled the K back into the deck before re-dealing the turn. Come on, I thought everyone knew that

/g2

jpajamas · 10-15-2008, 06:00 PM

Looking at the procedures used at Fallsview and:

"Upon further review, ruling on the felt stands".

G2 is charged with shootin' his mouth off prematurely, the TD is correct.

g2 · 10-15-2008, 06:06 PM

Yeah, I figured it's a FV thing. Hence the

at the end of my nit-pick.

Is it really that hard to reproduce the casity of one's nick? JPAjjammmAS. JPuhjammaz. jpajamas. See... only took 3 tries.

/g2