WSOP

Dead Money · Jul 15,2005, 08:01 AM

For you that are interested.

Name, chips, POY, table, seat.

1 Aaron Kanter 10,700,000 Chips 0 1 6
2 John Barch 9,330,000 Chips 0 1 3
3 Andrew Black 8,140,000 Chips 0 1 2
4 Mike Matusow 7,410,000 Chips 0 1 5
5 Steven Dannenmann 5,460,000 Chips 0 1 8
6 Joseph Hachem 5,420,000 Chips 0 1 1
7 Daniel Bergsdorf 5,270,000 Chips 0 1 4
8 Scott Lazar 3,370,000 Chips 0 1 9
9 Brad Kondracki 1,180,000 Chips 0 1 7

BBC Z · Jul 15,2005, 09:22 AM

AAron Kanter sucks

Wolffhound · Jul 15,2005, 10:24 AM

Matusows interview should be great...

"i dedicate this to all the guys in Cell Block C..."

Gotta give the guy credit though...he's come a long way back.

What's the beef with Kanter BBC?

HellmuthFan · Jul 15,2005, 10:53 AM

Sucks that Ivey didn't make the final table. Raymer too. An Ivey-Raymer-Matusow final table would have been great for everyone. I really hope that the two PokerStar guys don't win...

BBC Z · Jul 15,2005, 11:17 AM

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What's the beef with Kanter BBC?

1) His brutal suckout against Raymer
2) The fact he's so terrible that Ivey felt his jacks were good enough to bust out with when playing against Kanter.

literation · Jul 15,2005, 11:21 AM

Yeah I was following Ivey and maybe he was just a bit overanxious with JJ.Â* It seemed like he wasn't getting too far yesterday and this was probably one of his better or best hand.Â* I thought Ivey had a lot of chips still when he played his last hand?Â* I don't have a count.

Now that Matusow is at the final table I have to say...he didn't blow up!

EDIT:Â* Well BBC has given me some good background while I'm tapping this up.

Dead Money · Jul 15,2005, 11:23 AM

This is the same comment that was made against Moneymaker. People didn't give him any respect when he was in a hand. He may suck, but people that suck get hit by the deck sometimes too.

Flint Bones · Jul 15,2005, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BBC Z

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What's the beef with Kanter BBC?

1) His brutal suckout against Raymer
2) The fact he's so terrible that Ivey felt his jacks were good enough to bust out with when playing against Kanter.

So he sucks because Ivey made a bad move? That makes sense.

BBC Z · Jul 15,2005, 12:26 PM

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So he sucks because Ivey made a bad move? That makes sense.

So simple minded.

Im going to assume that Kanter has been getting brutally out of line on the flop.. So when Ivey gets his jacks up against Kanter who is so brutally bad that he can push his stack in with next to nothing, Ivey calculates his chances that Kanter might really have a real hand, but it's so low compared to his previous plays that he decides in the longrun, it's profitable against Kanter.

So THATS why he sucks. He may have caught Ivey with a real hand, but it's his crummy play from the previous 4 days that led to Iveys bust out.

Dave Scharf · Jul 15,2005, 05:55 PM

Hmmm.... THis seems to me to be counter intuitive. One might say that it is his excellent play in the previous four days that causes Ivey to call.

The Ivey bust out hand is THE advantage to being REALLY aggressive. Sometimes, they call you when the shouldn't.

Flint Bones · Jul 15,2005, 06:18 PM

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So simple minded.

Im going to assume that Kanter has been getting brutally out of line on the flop

Before I lose my cool and say something I may regret. I will take a moment.

So I am simple minded but you're the one making assumptions? Okay, you're the genius then. I must of missed the fact that you have been watching Kanter play for the tournament and his substantial chip lead has been pure luck. Clearly the guy sucks.

MJ4LIFE · Jul 15,2005, 06:20 PM

other than Matusow, any of these guys pro players, or even semi pro.

I recognize one or two other names..........i think, lol

literation · Jul 15,2005, 06:24 PM

I'm thinking if one of the PokerStars guys wins it again there will be even more terminal money flooding Stars. Â*That would be fun.
The 2 Stars guys are Daniel Bergsdorf and Brad Kondracki.

(I'm listening to the final table broadcast and so far the audio has been solid, no buffering.)

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Originally Posted by HellmuthFan

An Ivey-Raymer-Matusow final table would have been great for everyone. I really hope that the two PokerStar guys don't win...

BBC Z · Jul 15,2005, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint Bones

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So simple minded.

Im going to assume that Kanter has been getting brutally out of line on the flop

Before I lose my cool and say something I may regret. I will take a moment.

So I am simple minded but you're the one making assumptions? Okay, you're the genius then. I must of missed the fact that you have been watching Kanter play for the tournament and his substantial chip lead has been pure luck. Clearly the guy sucks.

Go to cardplayer and read any hand that involves Kanter, this guy is the best and getting his money in behind and sucking out. Good luck attempting to refute.

beanie42 · Jul 15,2005, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BBC Z

Go to cardplayer and read any hand that involves Kanter, this guy is the best and getting his money in behind and sucking out. Good luck attempting to refute.

Just for fun, I accept your challenge of refuting using Cardplayer.

Kanter had pockets to eliminate Silow, Barch, and Wollf (who each had A-x), where he was a slight favorite.Â* He also eliminated Burt with pocket 8's over pocket 6's, where he was a clear favorite.Â* It appears that he doesn't always suck-out, he occasionally wins with good hands, and occasionally wins with bad.Â* Sounds to me like Gus Hansen's style of play, and Hansen has also sucked out to elimate Ivey in other tourneys.Â* Do you consider Hansen a poor player?

I agree with Dave.Â* While annoying, his aggressive style is working, and he's winning his share of races.Â* From everything I've read, a bit of luck (meaning suck-outs) is required to win the main event.Â* But then again, I'm just a newbie.