philliivey

Once again party poker has beaten full tilt and pokerstars on these.

the 80 buy in sub one looks good, looks like about 1 in 4 get something with of course just 1st place to move on to final satellite where you have to finish 1st,lol I would go for anything that offers more then 1 package myself unless blondefish wins more then 1 seat and wants to give me 1


But anyway satellites are now available on party poker

actyper

UB already has a 50 seat and a 25 seat guaranteed listed in June. I think the Party sub sat is 1 in 10 as the main sat is $750

BlondeFish

PartyPoker's WSOP promotion is nowhere as good as last year's packages that actyper and I won. You need a whopping $14,000 in player's buy-ins this year for every WSOP package to be awarded, so it was much cheaper last year with only $12K needed in buy-ins for each package.

It appears that us players are being charged $2K out of the $14K for "hotel accommodation and hospitality"! Last year, it was all free, when I got to stay in a suite at Monte Carlo Resort for 13 days; all the food, drinks I wanted and even a cute blond masseuse at the exclusive Mike Sexton Suite; parties at MGM's Studio 54, Tabu and Wet Republic; a free iPod Touch and as much PartyPoker clothing that I wanted; plus $200,000 Leaderboard.

Another disadvantage with PartyPoker's satellites is its relatively high rake as usual:

- $8+$1 Speed, 11.1% rake
- $1.60+$0.40 Rebuy, 20% rake
- $3.50+0.50 Rebuy, 12.5% rake
- $75+$5, 6.3% rake
- $700+$50, 6.7% rake! It doesn't make sense that a $750 satellite would have a higher rake than an $80 satellite!

Just like FTP's WPT satellites have shockingly lower rake than PartyPoker's WPT satellites, even though PartyPoker owns WPT, the rake for WSOP satellites will probably be lower at other sites.

888 is offerring 88 WSOP packages. It consists of the $10K buy-in, $2500 spending money, and unlike PartyPoker, FREE hotel for 10 nights, 888 poker merchandise and party. If you are willing to grind at 888, this may be a good option to take a shot at a WSOP package.

I don't plan to ever play at UB, but looking at its WSOP promotion, it has a bunch of advantages over PartyPoker, including a progressive cash bonus pool, lower rake satellites, $12K cash for extra wins, and a King of Satellites leaderboard.

So while PartyPoker and Everest had the best WSOP packages last year, this year PartyPoker may have the worst if it's the only one charging an extra $2K. Please post the links of other sites' WSOP promotions.

Sorry philliivey, but unlike other sites where they encourage you to keep playing by giving you $12K for every extra win, PartyPoker has the following bad rule where it makes no sense to keep playing any more:

"Prize packages are non transferable and no cash alternative is available."

Conclusion: Even though I have already won a couple of $750 WSOP entries, I plan to unregister since PartyPoker's WSOP package may be the worst value this year.

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philliivey

son of a bitch! fuuuuuu party poker, I was more then happy to give you a bigger cut

actyper

Full Tilt offer is pretty sick! Here are some notes...

If you earn your Main Event seat online at Full Tilt Poker and go on to win, we’ll give you a $10,000,000 bonus on top of your first-place prize money!

In addition to the $10 million bonus, if you finish in the money at this year's Main Event, we'll give you a free seat to the 2011 Main Event.

Winning Multiple Main Event Seats
Players who win multiple seats to the Main Event will receive one (1) $12,000 prize package consisting of one (1) WSOP Main Event seat and $2,000 in spending money, and have $12,000 credited to their Full Tilt Poker account for each additional seat that they win. If a player wins a $12,000 WSOP Main Event prize package and a $10,000 World Series of Poker Main Event seat through one of Full Tilt Poker’s other promotions, they will keep the prize package and have $10,000 credited to their Full Tilt Poker account. All credits to a player’s Full Tilt Poker account will be made using Tournament Dollars (T$).

If a player has won a WSOP Main Event seat at Full Tilt Poker, and wins a WSOP Main Event seat at another venue, whether it is online or in a brick-and-mortar casino, Full Tilt Poker will credit the player with $10,000 in T$, provided they furnish Full Tilt Poker with a copy of their seat registration form for the Main Event.

If a player takes T$ in lieu of a prize package, they will no longer be eligible for Full Tilt Poker’s $10 Million WSOP Main Event Mania, and will not receive $10 Million from Full Tilt Poker if they should win the WSOP Main Event.

$10 Million Main Event Mania
All players who earn an entry into the Main Event through Full Tilt Poker will be eligible to collect $10,000,000 if they win the tournament.

Full Tilt Poker will pay out the $10,000,000 prize in equal $1,000,000 installments over a 10-year period. Players must agree to a 10-year exclusive endorsement contract with Full Tilt Poker allowing us to use their name, voice, and likeness in all future online and offline promotions. Additionally, the player agrees to play a minimum of 10 hours per week at Full Tilt Poker.com, and to attend any promotional events or tournaments that Full Tilt Poker deems appropriate. Player will be ineligible to promote any other online or offline poker-related company.

If a Player reaches the final table of the Main Event, but does not finish in first place, Full Tilt Poker will provide them with a one-time cash payment of $50,000. If a player finishes in either second or third position at the Main Event, Full Tilt Poker will provide them with a one-time cash payment of $100,000. A player who collects either $50,000 or $100,000 from Full Tilt Poker will not be required to fulfill any future promotional obligations on behalf of Full Tilt Poker.

Please see Promotional Agreement below for further details.

2011 Main Event Entry
All players who win entry to the 2010 WSOP Main Event through Full Tilt Poker and finish in a paid position will win entry to the 2011 WSOP Main Event. Players who win Main Event entry will be required to wear Full Tilt Poker gear during play and additional media coverage of the event in accordance with tournament regulations. Please note that there is no cash value ascribed to the 2011 Main Event entry; if a winner is unable to participate in the 2011 Main Event, they will forfeit this prize and no cash equivalent will be awarded.

philliivey

^^^^^


not bad, except you bigwigs can't give me a seat when you win more then 1.


Also pleased to enter the fantasy pool contest if they have it again this year

BlondeFish

FTP's WSOP bonuses are mostly conditional where most of the package winners will not end up with any extra money, so I like last year's GUARANTEED bonuses from PartyPoker and Everest much better. Unfortunately, just like PartyPoker is focusing more on WPT, PokerStars will probably focus more on its EPT and other live events so not only will its WSOP satellites start even later than last year but its bonuses will probably be worse too.

Hopefully, Everest will start its WSOP promotion much sooner than last year and be the best value again, so I may actually be tempted to grind WSOP satellites this year. Otherwise, I will probably not take a serious shot at a WSOP/WPT seat this year unless PartyPoker greatly improves its promotions.

FTP bonuses:
Free hotel for at least 3 days until you're out of the Main Event +
Free access to the FTP hospitality suite +
Dinner with FTP pros +
~$1000 EV for 2011 ME seat IF you cash +
~$14,500 EV IF you make the final table ($50K to $10 million).

PartyPoker:
WSOP poker seminar with Team Party, e.g., Mike Sexton, Tony G, Kara Scott, and/or Ian Frazer
MINUS $2,000 being charged for hotel & hospitality!

In other words, it is -EV to play the $750 WSOP final satellites at PartyPoker compared to FTP, UB, 888, etc.

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actyper

Well its still only March and I don't think Party announced their leaderboard until much later last year anyways.

What was the EV of the everest bonus last year, before the ME started? I know it turned out to be an awesome bonus cause of Antoine.

Cake one this year is no committments. If you win on Doyle you can actually split it up into other events.

ottawaplayer

The FTP offer is pretty good and unless Stars offers something similar I will definitely only look at qualifiers on FTP. I will check out Everest once they announce their promotion, but I do not currently have an account at that site.

Just to clarify, if you win one (and only one) $12k Main Event seat on FTP, are they putting the $12k into your account or is it handled differently from when you win a second seat? I won an ME seat on Stars in 2007 and they just put the $11,000 into my cash account.

ottawaplayer

So, is there a difference in how they award your first Main event entry?

From their site is says "Players who win multiple seats to the Main Event will receive one (1) $12,000 prize package consisting of one (1) WSOP Main Event seat and $2,000 in spending money, and have $12,000 credited to their Full Tilt Poker account for each additional seat that they win."

How will FTP provide you with the first ME seat entry? Do they not just put the $10k + 2k expenses in your account?

Thanks.

blackmagicz

It is my understanding that all these packages are paid in cash still (even the first 1). There are a few posts on other forum sites clarifying this.

MidnightMike

ipoker has satty's up and running also. $25 rebuy add on tourneys get you into a ME satty for a 12k package. Not sure on the fine print details though.

actyper

ipokers are must plays with no transferring and no alternatives. I don't even like playing their satellites for other tournies as they are all must plays as well with no flexibility.

If you want the wsop cash $ instead the best option is Cake as they put in the $ right after the tourney with absolutely no restrictions.

MidnightMike

thanks for the info actyper. got a seat into the ME game, but didnt like that i couldnt cash it in.

ottawaplayer

Thanks... so basically, there is no difference from winning the first ME entry to winning multiple ones... I was just curious as the wording implies a difference, but from what I have read elsewhere, third party registrations are still a no-go, so they have to give you the cash. I guess the only difference with the first win, is that if you do enter and where the FTP gear, you qualify for all of the bonuses.