Milo

Sorry but, if anything, Mike is more charitable in his comments than most (on either "side"). There are probably an equal % of maniacs operating both types of vehicles. Cyclists are always going to come out losers when the two meet, however . . .

Cyclists do, however, suffer fewer consequences for their run of the mill disobedience of traffic laws than car drivers do. That is probably where a lot of the confirmation bias amongst drivers comes from, no?

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800OVER

Are you including death in your consequences?.....I think the vulnerability of the bike rider ramps up the consequences don't you? So your argument is that car drivers are "mad" that bicyclist run stop signs and don't get a ticket? How many pedestrians flaunt laws? We don't have anyone writing in about those damn walkers!!!!!! When a cyclist runs a stop sign it doesn't kill someone!

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Milo

Jesus, 800, read the entire post, would ya? Don't just read what you want to see . . . I said, "run of the mill".

Obviously, I am talking about the nuisance stuff and, yes car drivers (and cyclists) get pissed at dumb pedestrians too.

As for your last comment . . . never read a story about someone's granny getting knocked over by a cyclist and killed? I have.

But, go ahead, debate as irrationally as you like. It is this type of unreasoning, unbending approach that causes people to tune out any sort of logical solutions you may actually present in this thread.

goodnightnow

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800OVER

The Granny is the exception that proves the rule. In my post I had typed the granny example...but took it out as I though it was too much...guess I was wrong. As for the rest....what are you talking about? Really don't get the above.

Either way....I thought you were done with this thread.

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Milo

Bluffing, obv.

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800OVER

fair enough

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i'm gonna drop any further comments on this thread cuz 800 is really sounding very one sided and biased in this arguement. I will leave you with the following comments though.

I have been fair in my comments and still stand behind everything i have said. TY Milo for recognizing it.

b4 you go making any further biased remarks 800, i want you to know that yes i agree that some drivers in toronto are idiots but i feel that more bike couriers on bay st, university ave, avenue rd and surrounding streets are worse.

Further my 2 sisters were hit by a car driver in Vancouver while crossing the street at an intersection on a green light. The driver decided to watch the opposite light and saw it turned yellow, he then jumped out from behind a cube van in his pick up truck and struck them both, killing my younger sister who had pushed my youngest sister out of the way, who was also clipped from this pickup truck driver who didnt even have a liscense to drive. Our family was given $5k from the province, not even enough to burry her. So if you want to carry on with this foolish, biased and complete bullshit then carry on. I will continue to call you out on it. I have every reason to be upset with car drivers and have a hate on for them, however the video does not completely illustrate that.

The video shows sheppard peddling quickly in a lane designated for oncoming traffic in order for himself to park in front of bryants car and he intentionally sat there when the light turned green. This is shown in the video. Please dont try and distpute it. It is clear his intentions were to cause conflict plain and simple. If he was in such a hurry that he needed to drive on the wrong side of the road, surely he would have been aware of the traffic lights. I refuse to let you try and make him out to be some kind of angel who was done wrong by. I maintain that something happened prior to the event on the video that escalated to what we see happen in the above (biased sub-titled) video.

I also feel that 800's comments with regards to fluffing off bicylists who break the rules of the road to be offensive and to only be a true display of your sincere biased concerns with regards to the true issues of the matter.

800OVER

Mike,

I have no idea where you're coming from. All I can tell from your above post is that you think it's ok to run someone over because they piss you off. I don't care if someone pulls in front of you, tells you to fuck yourself and flips you the bird. You still aren't justified in running them over. as for "fluffing" I have no idea what you're talking about.(#1) Because I'm against people (not just cyclists) getting run over.....I'm biased? I don't think cyclist should get away with anything. But the punishment should fit the crime. Again when a cyclist runs a red light....give them a ticket....just like a car driver. When a car driver runs into a cyclist intentionally....charge them with assault. I don't care what the cyclist said/di that the car driver didn't like. Imagine the exact same situation where the cyclist was a pedestrian. Lets say drunk pedestrian runs in front of your car.....and won't get out of the way. How about if a car cut you off and wouldn't move....would you hit them? According to MidnightMike: run him over (weird when someone says you think something you don't eh?)

Btw are you pissed about something? "I refuse to let you try" sorry this is a forum, you don't have a choice....so relax. Re read my posts....never said the guy was an "angel" (#2) just that he got run over. Unfortunately you brought up your personal situation....which has nothing to do with anything. It's like saying you're a cop....or a taxi driver or bicycle tire maker. Is my opinion more relevant if I say I've been hit by a car before or not? Didn't think so. As for being biased....you make that sound like it means my opinion is not valid. You are biased* towards the car driver....does that mean you're wrong? The only thing offensive is how your comments have little to do with reality:


"I maintain that something happened prior to the event on the video that escalated to what we see happen in the above (biased sub-titled) video."(#3)

I maintain doesn't mean you made it up based on no evidence does it? Does it mean you have some insider information that no one else has? NO ONE has come forward to say that anything happened before the first colision in the video. Please tell us how you "maintain" anything that happened before the video (I'm kidding because I really know you made it up from a hunch or some Jedi skills or something, I don't actually want you to explain anything). Either way....you don't have to care what I think...... Let's agree:

I think you are wrong. (and I'm a smart ass)
You think I'm am wrong. (and come to conclusions based outside reality see #1,2,3,).

Is that right?


*term used to described a tendency or preference towards a particular perspective, ideology or result. (not necessarily bad is it) I'm biased towards poker,boobs and bicycles and guess what: cars! love em, they are responsible for my welfare. And why wait 10 days for the response....please don't answer, again I don't want to know. I'm official done with this thread (don't mean it....just wanted to see what it felt like to type it and I have to say it's not as satisfying as I thought it would be.....) And yeah I like brackets what of it!

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LanterneRouge

I'd love to see public service announcements like this on tv here. Get's the message across very effectively.

LanterneRouge

Another in the series:

Milo

hmm . . .

Hope for Michael Bryant? Judge acquits motorist of assaulting cyclist in 2007 altercation - Posted Toronto


I wonder . . .

By the way, I got the dancing bear one, and noticed a few of the changes in the first, but certainly not all of them. I love those sorts of videos. Just shows you what studies have proven as well: Eyewitnesses do not see everything, do not remember what they see very well, and often just plain get the facts wrong.

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