stpboy

Playing in a $1/2 NLHE cash game, sitting with about $70 in front of me. A loose aggressive player utg+1 makes it $11 to go preflop. I've seen him make this raise with anythign from KJ, A8o to AA. So he likely has something, not necessarily something good. I'm looking to mix my play up a bit. I look down and see 75c, I call.
The big blind, a player that relies on picking up pots post flop and is very aggressive also calls.

Both players have me outchipped by another $50 or so.

Flop comes Q 7 3 rainbow (one club)

BB checks, LAG bets $10 into a pot of $34. This raise looks weak to me but this could be exactly what LAG wants it to look like.

I have $59 in front of me, what's my move here? Please don't respond with the "Well, I would never call with 75c in the first place" because I know you all would

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SirWatts

No really, fold preflop, this call is terrible with a shallow stack (and marginal at best on a very deep stack). No idea on the flop, probably just call and see what happens on the turn I guess.

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stpboy

Ok, I guess you wouldn't call with it but I did and unfortunately my time machine in the garage is still in the works. When it is ready I will let you all know and we can all go back in time and fix our mistakes hehehe.

Doesn't calling seem a bit weak? For those of you that know the players involved, it was Mario (LAG) and Cory "folded" as the Big Blind.....Hope that helps.

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BBC Z

Poor call preflop. nuff said. You arent getting any implied odds.

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stpboy

Boooooo! How did I know everyone was going to reply with this response?

Ok, let's imagine I'm playing online and misclicked and now called the $11 preflop by mistake. What's my play against these two opponents...? Thou asketh for Hand analysis, thou shall receive...

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ScoobyD

Because you called off 15% of your stack with 7 high?Â* As mentioned you have zero implied odds with your tiny stack.

As for the post flop play, I don't see how you can possibly fold for 10 bucks given that you made a much worse call preflop with nothing in the pot.Â* You managed to flop 2nd pair no kicker and have BD straight and flush draws, vs. 2 unpredictable opponents.Â* Awesome.Â* Your move is heavily read based.Â* If you really think your opponents ranges are huge, then I'd want to isolate vs. the raiser (as ridiculous as that sounds), since he could have missed the flop.Â* Basically any raise you make is going to more or less commit you to the pot.Â* I still don't like this hand at all, as you have no information on what the lag behind you is going to do.Â*

beanie42

Knowing the lag who was behind, he'll call, 9 times out of 10.

I know the results (I dealt this mess) so I won't give anything away.Â* But evaluating the hand, I think the pre-flop call was marginal, but that can be passed off based on the 2 villians.Â* Flop a monster and you're getting paid off.Â* However, you didn't flop a monster, and while I can somewhat understand what happened preflop, after the flop you fold period (unless you're treating the hand like a lottery ticket).Â* Against these 2 players, you MAY bet 1 off the hand, but not both.Â* Folding is the only sane option.

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ItsaMe

"VILLIANS" In the immortal words of Roger danger Field " I tell ya I get no respect". :'

Can't wait to here the end of this story. LOL!

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folded

You know, this story was posted for 2 reasons....

For Shannon to expose how much of a donk call was made by him pre flop and post and post flop by myself.
And two, to show how donkish he is with the river.

Once the final details are posted, please feel free to puke
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Gord

Flop a monster and you're getting paid off.Â* The problem is even if you get paid off everytime you flop a "monster" and you never pay off with a "second best monster" you are still losing money.

Anyways, assuming it was a misclick, I fold postflop and reload to the max.Â* Playing 1-2 NL with 70 bucks seems a little odd.

magithighs

In the words of Dave Scharf, calling a LAG is the wrong play.Â* So, pre-flop this would be a raise if you want to play it.Â* On the flop, I have not done anything to define my hand pre-flop, so folding here is best for me.Â* But, I think folding pre-flop is the bestest play.

Cheers
Magi

Soup

I'd fold the flop 99% of the time unless you want to get ballsy and try to take it down on a bluff. I like your call when you have $500 infront and the raiser as you covered, otherwise ugly.

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stpboy

Ok, so I agree that I should have folded preflop as I did have a very shallow stack and didn't give my opponents much of a chance to fold to any of my raises after the flop. I was thinking at the time that if I hit the flop I was likely good. My read couldn't have been more wrong!

I pushed on the flop and Cory "folded" thought about it, he wasn't worried about me he was worried about Mario to act behind him. Cory eventually didn't trust his read and called, Mario then pushed Cory in who, once again, called. I guess this is what he was talking about when he mentioned his two donks calls.

Cory flips over 1010 and Mario shows KK, I was in trouble. Was.

Turn 7 river 9 and I win. I got lucky, it was beautiful. For me atleast.

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beanie42

Lucky is an understatement, and obviously beauty is in the eye of the beholder. That was some of the ugliest poker I've seen. Horrendous pre-flop call by you. Brutal read by you post-flop, Cory's read was bang on ... then he ignored it TWICE! The only correct decision made in the entire hand ever was by Mario (did I just say that ).

But a win's a win - nice $172 pot Shannon

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stpboy

Just so you know, I've played worse poker. Made worse calls. Made worse reads. Hehehe

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