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Apr 06,2006, 10:43 AM
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| Re: Cash Game Analysis- 75c
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Perhaps my only mistake in this hand was to call with that particular hand with a shallow stack. I still question this though, as me raising another $45-$50 after the flop should garner some attention when most bought in for a measly $60.
| OK, but NL is all about the size of your mistakes, not how many you make. This particular mistake put your entire (albeit short) stack at risk. Quote: |
"Put your apponent to the test" Brunson says. "Make them make a decision for all their chips"
| Yes. Doyle loves his reckless image. But he's advocating using this style with a BIG stack, and against weak-tight opponents (which isn't the case here). From what I remember in SS the whole "put your opponents to the test" advocates putting your opponents to decisions for their stack NOT yours. Ie you bet half your stack with the intention of folding to someone who comes over the top. You're risking half your stack but you're telling your opponents "I'm commiting my WHOLE stack to this pot (even though you aren't)". Ie, if they're going to play they know they're facing a big bet on later streets as well. I don't think he advocates sticking his entire stack in blindly and hoping he isn't utterly destroyed... Quote: |
People always say, use your image to your advantage. I'm typically a fairly tight-aggressive player that makes few plays against my opponents.
| I wholly understand where you're coming from. You don't want your image to be weak-tight and every time you raise, people run for cover when you have a premium hand. But given your shallow stack and your opponents' willingness to gamble, I don't see how you can count on making these guys make a big laydown post-flop.
I think the preflop call is marginal with a big stack, but OK if you play well postflop (and I'm not suggesting you'd get married to 2nd pair with a bigger stack). I think it's a surefire money loser with a short stack though. Not my intention, I just don't see how you can justify this as a "good play". Just my 2 cents though... | 
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Apr 06,2006, 10:54 AM
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#32 | | Full PFC Member | Re: Cash Game Analysis- 75c
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Originally Posted by stpboy First of all Johnny, thanks a bunch for the fantastic compliments. They are appreciated but possibly undeserved, alteast that's the popular opinion in regards to this hand. Johnny, you've got my back brother!
I guess I can't dispute this hand when the vast majority of you view my play as brutal but heck, I'll try. People always say, use your image to your advantage. I'm typically a fairly tight-aggressive player that makes few plays against my opponents. I've been trying to mix up my game a bit and trust my reads a lot more. I think of my reading ability as my strongest weapon when playing poker. My read in this case was incredibly wrong but even so, taking into consideration what I thought my opponents thought of me(my image), I felt as though I could get them off ANY hand. These guys have played with me several times and when I re-raise, I have the hand 95% of the time. Ask most tight aggressive players how often they bluff and I think the % will be about the same (5% or less). Most of the times, those are semi-bluffs as this one was.
I didn't post this hand as an 'in yo face' hand. I posted it for some analysis, I posted to show a hand that was played rather unorthodoxically and to create some discussion. I fully admitted that I made a bad read but if I was to have won the hand by them both folding their (AJ and K10s) hands they both fully could have been in with, we wouldn't be having this conversation (it would be boring).
In regards to the question, did you really think you were ahead when you pushed on the turn? It didn't matter to me if I was ahead, I wanted them to believe I was and I pushed. I think this is a very solid play. Perhaps my only mistake in this hand was to call with that particular hand with a shallow stack. I still question this though, as me raising another $45-$50 after the flop should garner some attention when most bought in for a measly $60. I'm not going to sit around all day and wait for aces.
Feel free to flame....
stp | Shannon when you called my 11 dollar bet I couldn't put you on AK, AQ or any pair was that you were all-in or re-raising a large amount pre flop with any of these hands. When the flop came all under cards I new I was good. An exaple of this is when I raised 7 dollars pre flop and you re raised all in for 80 dollars. I fold and show my AQo and you show me AKo. Â*I wasn't worried about Cory in this hand because he told every one out loud what he had....LOL! Â*So it was your play that night that let me know my KKs were good till the turn. Â* Â* Â*NICE suck out. Â*LOL!
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Apr 17,2006, 10:34 PM
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| Re: Cash Game Analysis- 75c
Doyle does not reccomend consistently pounding pots with the worst hand.
He recommend playing agressively with "something" which coould be the best hand or a big draw.
And, Doyle does not move against players who are not capable of folding. There is A LOT of subtlety to Doyle's method, to be sure.
Anyone for Phil Gordon's Little Green Book Handy (I loaned mine out). He had, for me, a shocking revalation about holding AK on a board of K-x-x (two suited) when your opponent has moved in.
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Apr 18,2006, 12:43 AM
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#34 | | Forum Troll - Admin Style | Re: Cash Game Analysis- 75c
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Originally Posted by Dave Scharf Anyone for Phil Gordon's Little Green Book Handy (I loaned mine out). He had, for me, a shocking revalation about holding AK on a board of K-x-x (two suited) when your opponent has moved in. | If you can narrow the book down, I can try to locate it.
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Apr 18,2006, 06:20 AM
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That is the book. "The Little Green Book," Phil Gordon.
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Apr 18,2006, 11:07 AM
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#36 | | Forum Troll - Admin Style | Re: Cash Game Analysis- 75c
Any idea where approximately it might be in the book was what I meant. I haven't finished it yet.
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Apr 19,2006, 03:26 PM
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Is there a section about the greatest online player out there? I think that may be the section.
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Apr 19,2006, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave Scharf Is there a section about the greatest online player out there? I think that may be the section. | Yup, "Biggest Online Winner" (B.O.W.) at the end when he does mini-biographies of various players - definately a unique strategy...
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