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Old Jul 21,2006, 07:55 PM   #1
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A few hands 5/5 nl hands for review(extraction)

Game is 5/5 NL.

Hand #1 :

I open for $25 with AA UTG. The game has just started maybe 20 minutes ago and this is the second hand I have open raised. I have folded everything but my blinds and one hand where I limped with 44 and my previous open raise, which was reraised by a very tight player. I had J10o and folded.

A semi solid tight / thinking player makes it $70 with $200 behind. He has position on me. Should I push? Reraise an amount that is less than push? Call and c/r any flop? He probably thinks my range is alot wider than what it actually is but my range here is semi wide given that we're five handed.

Hand #2 :

I open for $30 in the SB after a button open limper. BB calls. I have KK w/ the K of hearts. The flop comes 332 with two hearts. I check, intending to c/r all in. My opponent has around $180 behind and I cover.

Hand #3 :
I have AdKd in the SB. UTG opens for $25. I have seen him raise to $15 total with AA in the big blind after four or five limpers. I opened once for $25 and he reraised me $30 more with AJ. He is quite loose preflop and very straight forward postflop with a tendency to chase weak draws / made hands a little too far. I flatcall.

Flop is AcKc8h. I check intending to c/r. He checks behind.
Turn Qc. I lead for $50? He calls.
River low club. I check he bets $50 I fold.

Any thoughts by anyone are appreciated.
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Re: A few hands 5/5 nl hands for review(extraction)

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Game is 5/5 NL.

Hand #1 :

I open for $25 with AA UTG. The game has just started maybe 20 minutes ago and this is the second hand I have open raised. I have folded everything but my blinds and one hand where I limped with 44 and my previous open raise, which was reraised by a very tight player. I had J10o and folded.

A semi solid tight / thinking player makes it $70 with $200 behind. He has position on me. Should I push? Reraise an amount that is less than push? Call and c/r any flop? He probably thinks my range is alot wider than what it actually is but my range here is semi wide given that we're five handed.

Hand #2 :

I open for $30 in the SB after a button open limper. BB calls. I have KK w/ the K of hearts. The flop comes 332 with two hearts. I check, intending to c/r all in. My opponent has around $180 behind and I cover.

Hand #3 :
I have AdKd in the SB. UTG opens for $25. I have seen him raise to $15 total with AA in the big blind after four or five limpers. I opened once for $25 and he reraised me $30 more with AJ. He is quite loose preflop and very straight forward postflop with a tendency to chase weak draws / made hands a little too far. I flatcall.

Flop is AcKc8h. I check intending to c/r. He checks behind.
Turn Qc. I lead for $50? He calls.
River low club. I check he bets $50 I fold.

Any thoughts by anyone are appreciated.
I think that check-raising is a recipe for disaster in NLH...I'm too tired to post details right now (I will later), but you seem to be employing limit strategy to NLH cash games.
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Old Jul 21,2006, 11:28 PM   #3
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Re: A few hands 5/5 nl hands for review(extraction)

Hand 1: If he's capable of folding stuff preflop then call and checkraise the flop allin.

Hand 2: Usually just lead and let him call/raise with smaller pairs. Maybe go for a checkraise on a safe turn if he calls flop.

hand 3: It depends how deep he is, but I like leading the flop here and hoping he raises you, though a checkraise isn't bad either depending on the player/stacks.
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Old Jul 21,2006, 11:31 PM   #4
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Re: A few hands 5/5 nl hands for review(extraction)

Can't believe I forgot stacks in hand 3. Opponent has, IIRC, $650 and I cover.
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Old Jul 22,2006, 12:35 AM   #5
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OK I definitely lead hand 3 then and hope he raises.
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Old Aug 23,2006, 11:59 PM   #6
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Re: A few hands 5/5 nl hands for review(extraction)

Hand #1 push 100% of the time
Hand #2 bet pot 100% of the time
hand#3 pot the flop and NEVER fold that river
You check way too much,bet ,bet ,bet,guaranteed much better results,by the way did you get outflopped in hand #1,trn wan an ace or a heart in hand #2 and villian had qq in hand #3? Just curious
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Re: A few hands 5/5 nl hands for review(extraction)

#1: Call, then c/r all-in on the flop
#2: Did the button call as well (how big is pot)? I'd lead with a pot-sized bet here (60-90).
#3: I like the call, although I might re-raise pre-flop if he is that loose, since you may take it down immediately, and he may be scared of an Ace on the flop if he doesn't have one. The flop is nice for you but coordinated for a bunch of draws, so I'd keep betting here.

I'm quite surprised by the small stacks from hands #1 and #2 considering the blinds (I'd have them covered in a .50/1.00 game ) - is this normal?
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Re: A few hands 5/5 nl hands for review(extraction)

My response was the same as Trevor's - where are you playing that players have $200 in a 5/5NL game?
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Hand #1Â* Â*push 100% of the time
Hand #2Â* bet pot 100% of the time
hand#3Â* pot the flop and NEVER fold that river
You check way too much,bet ,bet ,bet,guaranteed much better results,by the way did you get outflopped in hand #1,trn wan an ace or a heart in hand #2 and villian had qq in hand #3? Just curious
RESULTS :

Hand #1 : He folded 99 when I pushed.

Hand #2 : He potted, I c/r all in, he called with 5h6h, turn bricked, river was a king and MHWVG.

Hand #3 : She showed Ax10c for the flush and I mucked.

I'm surprised so many people say lead this flop. Since my opponent is going to continuation bet almost all the time I don't see the advantage of leading versus check raising.
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I'm surprised so many people say lead this flop. Since my opponent is going to continuation bet almost all the time I don't see the advantage of leading versus check raising.
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I check intending to c/r.Â* He checks behind.
I don't trap on a coordinated board, since "almost all the time" isn't "all the time". However, this strategy is lower risk/reward, while your style appears to be higher variance (higher total profit). Just a difference of style.
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Re: A few hands 5/5 nl hands for review(extraction)

If I had raised or reraised preflop I would bet the flop 100% of the time, but he raised preflop. It is extremely rare for your opponent to raise preflop and check behind on the flop heads up. Especially when he had top pair!

In a strange, results oriented way, the hand worked out really well. There was no way this guy was folding anywhere post flop, so if he had bet the flop I would have raised heavy, got the rest in on the turn and got rivered :P
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Re: A few hands 5/5 nl hands for review(extraction)

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I think that check-raising is a recipe for disaster in NLH... you seem to be employing limit strategy to NLH cash games.
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Re: A few hands 5/5 nl hands for review(extraction)

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I think that check-raising is a recipe for disaster in NLH... you seem to be employing limit strategy to NLH cash games.
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I think that check-raising is a recipe for disaster in NLH... you seem to be employing limit strategy to NLH cash games.
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What is wrong with check and raising in no limit?
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Re: A few hands 5/5 nl hands for review(extraction)

If you constantly check/raise, your opponents are going to check behind much more often. Check/raising is a pretty obvious tactic... even the fish catch onto this one quickly.

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