Hand from the 3R on stars last night

specialK · Apr 07,2006, 12:39 PM

Just moved to this table 2 orbits ago, all that has been happening is everyone is stealing blinds and there have been very few showdowns. At this point i have classified truesyalose as a pretty tight player and have stolen his BB once before.

PokerStars Game #4546485205: Tournament #22380059, Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI
(3000/6000) - 2006/04/07 - 00:32:11 (ET)
Table '22380059 130' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: josiewales88 (55325 in chips)
Seat 2: garrett3680 (77423 in chips)
Seat 3: Metogc (48102 in chips)
Seat 4: estay (88517 in chips)
Seat 5: 4th-INF-67 (103430 in chips)
Seat 6: LIQUIDDRAGON (181181 in chips)
Seat 7: truesyalose (132293 in chips)
Seat 8: OzzMoses (80069 in chips)
Seat 9: thebigugs (66243 in chips)
josiewales88: posts the ante 300
garrett3680: posts the ante 300
Metogc: posts the ante 300
estay: posts the ante 300
4th-INF-67: posts the ante 300
LIQUIDDRAGON: posts the ante 300
truesyalose: posts the ante 300
OzzMoses: posts the ante 300
thebigugs: posts the ante 300
LIQUIDDRAGON: posts small blind 3000
truesyalose: posts big blind 6000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to thebigugs [Ts Kh]
OzzMoses: folds
thebigugs: raises 9000 to 15000 - this is simply a steal raise and i can fold to a reraise in this spot, but the table has been so tight and
josiewales88: folds i was getting pretty short on chips, i needed to steal before the blinds hit me again
garrett3680: folds
Metogc: folds
estay: folds
4th-INF-67: folds
LIQUIDDRAGON: folds
truesyalose: calls 9000
*** FLOP *** [Jc Qc Ac]
truesyalose: checks
thebigugs: bets 15000
truesyalose: raises 27000 to 42000

what's your move here? it would be helpful if you could provide some reasoning with what you are going to do in this spot.

beanie42 · Apr 07,2006, 12:54 PM

Pot was 35700 and you bet 15000, so your play looks like you have a flush draw, and his re-raise looks like he's trying to take away the flush draw. If he's observant and has noticed the constant stealing, he could put you on a pure steal or trying to chase the flush cheap. I'd say he's either made a weak flush already (7/8 high) and doesn't want you hitting a bigger flush or he has 2 pair (AJ or AQ). If he's got a flush already, you're drawing dead, but you're way ahead otherwise. However, you're too short-stacked to fold here I think, unless you have a really strong read he has the flush already (which you don't since you've only been here 2 orbits), so you might as well move all-in.

That said, the fact that you posted seems to mean you did move-in and he had the flush (or hit it on a later street).

SirWatts · Apr 07,2006, 01:10 PM

Pooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh. You have a straight. You should bet more on the flop though you don't want to let flush draws see a card cheaply. Bet the pot or even just push it in, you're still getting called by stuff like 2 pair anyways. By the way, you flopped a straight.

-ANTE RIVER- · Apr 07,2006, 01:15 PM

Hey Kyle, I see you finished in the $ last night, good work.

I went out early, decided to play really aggressive before 1st break - hit $10K or bust
(coinsidently, wife gets home just after 1st break, lol - so the logic there, lol Â*

)

So, to the hand...

He called your raise, 9K into nearly 27K. Â*If he's tight, as your read, I'd start the range of cards at
any pp, any combo of face cards and any Ax, knowing he has position.

After the flop, I would gather he thinks you've fired a continuation bet. Â*He fires over top, but not
quite putting you all-in. Â*That seems like he's asking you to commit, b/c he has outs, but has something
that he thinks might be ahead right now, or he might be able to draw to. Here I'm thinking he's paired
the board with a club kicker. Â*Had he put you all-in, I'd think he feels he's on top know, but afraid of a club.

At this stage, by not calling, you're getting hit by the blinds with around $35K left. The pot is near 78K.
He's calling no matter what you do now. Â*I push, even though I'm sure he wants me to, and hope no clubs hit,
I wouldn't even think twice that he's sitting on two spades, if he is, c'est la vie.

Ken
P.S. - How many people were left in the tourney when this happended? Â*You tell me this, and I'll know how this one played out

specialK · Apr 07,2006, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirWatts

Pooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh. You have a straight. You should bet more on the flop though you don't want to let flush draws see a card cheaply. Bet the pot or even just push it in, you're still getting called by stuff like 2 pair anyways. By the way, you flopped a straight.

yeah i ended up pushing, figured the guy for Arag or JQ or something that would be affraid of my "i've got the flush draw" bet... so yeah, dude ended up flopping the flush with 8c9c and i was drawing dead.... oh well, what can you do... to make the FT in these tourneys you need some luck down the line, like flopping a flush vs a straight you know... i was just on the wrong end of this one. finished 106th/1700 so not a bad finish.

ChrisWinsor · Apr 09,2006, 07:01 PM

I'd have pushed all in thinking he is on a draw or has trips/two pair and is protecting. Very unfortunate to run into a player who knows the keyness of midle suited connectors, and just an unlucky flop for you.