Hand for Review How not to go broke here

AcidJoe · Aug 22,2005, 04:11 PM

Is there anyway not to go broke on this hand?Â* While the flop worried me due to the straight the turn certainly fixed that worry.Â* I guess the only thing is even playing the hand in early position, however there was lots of limping and calling of minimum raises going on which is demostrated by 8 people seeing the minimum raise.

*** Export for: AcidJoe Game: Texas Holdem Game number: 467781736 ***
Date: 8/22/2005 11:52:39 AM
Game: 467781736: Table: Loch Ordie
Normal Table No Limit 0.20/0.40
Rake: 0.30
Seat: 1 AcidJoeÂ* Â* Â* Â* Â*
Seat: 2 Wrath3Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*
Seat: 3 svalle86Â* Â* Â* Â*
Seat: 4 setoAAÂ* Â* Â* Â* Â*
Seat: 5 MordeÂ* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*
Seat: 6 play5Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*(Dealer)
Seat: 7 TverinÂ* Â* Â* Â* Â*
Seat: 9 earlyLouÂ* Â* Â* Â*
Seat: 10 misak82Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*
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OpeningBetRound
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TverinÂ* Â* Â* Â* Â*: Posts small blind 0.10
earlyLouÂ* Â* Â* Â*: Posts big blind 0.20
misak82Â* Â* Â* Â* : Folds
AcidJoeÂ* Â* Â* Â* : Calls for 0.20
Wrath3Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*: Folds
svalle86Â* Â* Â* Â*: Calls for 0.20
MordeÂ* Â* Â* Â* Â* : Calls for 0.20
play5Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* : Raises for 0.40
TverinÂ* Â* Â* Â* Â*: Calls for 0.30
earlyLouÂ* Â* Â* Â*: Calls for 0.20
AcidJoeÂ* Â* Â* Â* : Calls for 0.20
svalle86Â* Â* Â* Â*: Calls for 0.20
MordeÂ* Â* Â* Â* Â* : Calls for 0.20
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FlopÂ* Â* 10

, Q

, J

Â* Â*Was worried about the straight however with 2 pair had to see that bet.Â*
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TverinÂ* Â* Â* Â* Â*: Bets 2.60
earlyLouÂ* Â* Â* Â*: Folds
AcidJoeÂ* Â* Â* Â* : Calls for 2.60
svalle86Â* Â* Â* Â*: Calls for 2.60
MordeÂ* Â* Â* Â* Â* : Folds
play5Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* : Folds
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TurnÂ* Â* Q

Â* Â* Â* Â*Now a boat so I thought I was good.Â*
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TverinÂ* Â* Â* Â* Â*: Checks
AcidJoeÂ* Â* Â* Â* : Bets 6.00
svalle86Â* Â* Â* Â*: Folds
TverinÂ* Â* Â* Â* Â*: Raises for 12.00
AcidJoeÂ* Â* Â* Â* : Calls for 6.00
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RiverÂ* Â* Â* 10

Â* Â* Â* Â*
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TverinÂ* Â* Â* Â* Â*: Went all-in 4.70
AcidJoeÂ* Â* Â* Â* : Calls for 4.70
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Showdown
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AcidJoeÂ* Â* Â* Â* Â*[ Q

, Q

, 10

Â* - Fullhouse ]
TverinÂ* Â* Â* Â* Â* [ Q

, Q

, J

- Fullhouse ]
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Result
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TverinÂ* Â* Â* Â* Â* Showed Cards (Winning) 43.30
earlyLouÂ* Â* Â* Â* Mucked Cards
misak82Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*Mucked Cards
AcidJoeÂ* Â* Â* Â* Â*Showed Cards
Wrath3Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Mucked Cards
svalle86Â* Â* Â* Â* Mucked Cards
MordeÂ* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*Mucked Cards
play5Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*Mucked Cards
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Community Cards
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[ 10

, Q

, J

, Q

, 10

]
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Players Cards
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Tverin [ Q

, JÂ*

]
earlyLou [ -, - ]
misak82 [ -, - ]
AcidJoe [ Q

, 10

]
Wrath3 [ -, - ]
svalle86 [ -, - ]
Morde [ -, - ]
play5 [ -, - ]
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MickeyHoldem · Aug 22,2005, 04:58 PM

Tverin's c/r on the turn screams big hand... but hey.... who's gonna toss a boat away now... I go broke too... I likely put in a big raise on the flop, around the size of the pot after Tverin's bet... when he calls, if he checks the turn, I likely check behind him... but he's gonna go all-in on the river again, and I call.... who throws a boat away... who? anyone? anyone??

Chugs · Aug 22,2005, 05:14 PM

i actually likely reraise him his last chips on the turn, but still obviously lose.

there is a grand total of 1 hand (three ways) that can even theoretically beat you and countless ones that lose to you but would be happy to get all their chips in the middle.

i think you really shouldn't question anything once you called the flop bet and hit a boat. i think short of the guy lifting his cards and showing you them (i realize this is online), no way you don't put your money in the center

the_main · Aug 22,2005, 06:56 PM

i lose all my chips, you lose all your chips, we all lose all our chips

Dead Money · Aug 22,2005, 07:19 PM

chips for everyone but JOE

AcidJoe · Aug 22,2005, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dead Money

chips for everyone but JOE

Thanks dead..... In retro spect I guess there is no way not to lose a ton. But when I catch marginal hands and push I always seem to get grabbed. Usually it's playing mid suited connectors and losing to a larger flush tho. Thanks everyone who took the time to post.

literation · Aug 22,2005, 08:27 PM

Yes I think I played someone on Stars who would.Â* Unfortunately, about 6 months ago, he taught me the meaning of underboat.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MickeyHoldem

.... who throws a boat away... who? anyone? anyone??

CrazyJoe113 · Aug 23,2005, 08:21 AM

ya, some full houses you can get away from in the right circumstances, i cant see TOO many (but still some) in a fixed limit game but in an NL game you should be able to get away from some full houses FOR SURE in NL if the stacks are deep.

example.

YOU : 55
Flop : A5Q - lots of action on flop
Turn : A - more action
River: irrelevant - other player moves all in in a very deep stack game, you can probably but him on QQ or AQ or A+(river card pairing kicker) if he's a good player

PS. To clarify, i don't think OP's full house is one that should have been folded, i go broke here too

wader · Aug 23,2005, 10:15 AM

I fold to his check raise on the turn, since I put him on QJ.

wader · Aug 23,2005, 10:16 AM

Just kiddin.......I go BROKE

kalozdi · Aug 23,2005, 02:10 PM

perhaps i am reading this incorrectly but q

10

is fold for me in early position

BBC Z · Aug 23,2005, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Tverin : Posts small blind 0.10
earlyLou : Posts big blind 0.20
misak82 : Folds
AcidJoe : Calls for 0.20
Wrath3 : Folds
svalle86 : Calls for 0.20
Morde : Calls for 0.20
play5 : Raises for 0.40
Tverin : Calls for 0.30
earlyLou : Calls for 0.20
AcidJoe : Calls for 0.20
svalle86 : Calls for 0.20
Morde : Calls for 0.20

Quote:

perhaps i am reading this incorrectly but q club 10 club is fold for me in early position

You are ignoring table conditions.. We got 7 players to the flop here with a great implied odds hand. I'm going to assume the table's been playing this way the entire time Hero was there, so whats wrong with limping a big suited one gapper in EP?

Dave Scharf · Aug 27,2005, 01:58 PM

I don't have anything to add.

The only way to escape from second nuts, regardless of whether it's a boat or a flush or whatever, is if the chips are deep and there has been sufficient betting to define your hand. It's rare. Especially in a low limit online games in which you might expect that the calibre of opponent is such that there are lots of goofy plays they might make.