Middle Pair, Weak Kicker ftw!

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    Middle Pair, Weak Kicker ftw!

    Greetings poker entrepreneurs,

    Yes, I continue to exist for those who are monitoring my pokerforum career. Still deeply enjoy poker, I could just use a few bucks so I can enjoy it in a casino context more often. For now, this bad beat I dealt to my dear friend and cousin took place in a completely casual, 5-handed poker game that had $0 invested in it. We each started with around thirty five chips and the blinds were 1chip/2chip.

    I have the button and I'm in an aggressive mood today. I raise with 97o and end up heads up with my cousin to the flop. Flop comes

    10d 9h 4c

    Cousin bets something like 8 chips into a 14chip pot or something of that nature. I make my read that he's weak. With my middle pair, weak kicker I just decide to ship it because it felt great at the time. In fact, I insta-shipped it on him. Not going to lie, it really did feel good.

    He calls and flips over Top Pair...

    The run out decided to come in my favour: I rivered a 7h or something like that. At the time, it felt somehow right. Poker rewards aggression, right? I felt great about the aggressive move I made: even if the more probable event occurred and I went bust I just simply felt the move was sexy. When I rivered the goods I acted like it's all happened before. I was indifferent to the result at that point, but then it just decided to arrive in my favour.

    However, all of the fun of shipping it aside, now that I reflect I feel it may be patently obvious that my play is simply not good in so many ways lol. This is where I'm hoping to get some feedback. This concept in poker seems to haunt me, in that I feel like I've heard it a lot but don't know what it means. "Consider what you're getting called with..." Consider what you're getting called with. Is that a thing? Cuz perhaps if I considered what I was getting called with in the situation I was presented with today I simply would not have done what I did indeed do. The 'expression' or concept tells me that the only hands calling my all-in are hands that are going to rEEdonkewlouslEE CRUSH Middle Pair, Weak Kicker. Lol.

    But, I dunno. It still felt great at the time. And I achieved a great early double-up. Any help?

    However, to further reflect, I made the read that I was stronger than he was and I wanted to blow him out of the water with my raise. Was there any logic in what I did or do I need to take it easy? TV poker tells me sometimes you can ship it and your opponent just insta-folds to the raw power animal magnetism of your confidence and suave. Can I be James Bond or will I forever just be the chump who plays 97o with the '89 Honda Civic that I bought for $600 in some abandoned car lot in West Virginia from a real sketchy dude?
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    I think you may need to focus on the basics. Play decent hands from position and play right aggressive.
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    Don't recall where you are but you need to come out to some local games...
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    Thanks for the replies so far. Hope you mildly enjoyed my slightly hyper post lols. I deeply enjoy writing as a hobby and I can get a little effervescent at times. :P

    Quote Originally Posted by trigs View Post
    I think you may need to focus on the basics. Play decent hands from position and play right aggressive.


    The basics can be boring. It's like sitting down in a neat circle in class learning your ABCs from your mommy when you really want to be out partying with all of your closest friends and a bunch of hot chicks.

    Tight/aggressive is cool and I've totally been there done that and realize the value of it. However, I also love busting out of my timid poker shell and playing loose/agressive when it fits my fancy. Honestly it just felt so right during that particular casual session. Maybe it was the no-money-at-all-on-the-line giving me some free courage but I like playing that way. I can even recall playing super loose at the casino once for the same reason (I was in the mood and seemed to be having success with the style online). Get involved in plenty of hands and take lots of flops with any two somewhat decent cards (or even rags if you have position) - I recall when I tried that at Niagara with my min. buy in of 60 on the line, I played 10 7o in position on my very first hand, promptly flopped two-pair and had a customer who paid me all the way to the river and I doubled up - going on to cash out an hour or so later with like $125, my biggest profit and most financially successful casino trip to date.

    For me personally (at least at times) I feel like the greatest joy of poker (and where you'll be most rewarded) is to just get loose (poker-wise and mood-wise) and just go for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by compuease View Post
    Don't recall where you are but you need to come out to some local games...


    Haha, great response. I totally agree. I believe at your home games I save $20 on a min. buy in (from 60 down to 40) and get more bang for the buck due to the blinds being cut in half. I'm going to make a point to try and make it out, especially if I can bring my poker buddy (aforementioned dear friend and cousin). I'll be checking out the thread for upcoming dates. I live in Hamilton so the drive might be an hour-long or so but it's quite do-able for a good game.

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    A number of games both cash and tournament in the Hamilton area. What about these? I recommend both hosts.

    Saturday Night NLHE | $80+R Tourney | Hamilton | Mar 4th 7PM

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    Thanks for making me aware, especially of that second one. I mean, the buy in is still the same as the casino but it does have the advantage of that being everyone's buy in and I'm getting way more bang for the buck due to the smaller blinds. I'll have to keep it on the radar.

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    You are welcome to come play at my home game.

    "The secret of life is there's never a shortage of suckers."
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    Appreciate it trigs, sounds like a great game located pretty close to me. What's your policy on if I'd like to bring another player with me?

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    And the other game listed above is mine - more than welcome to come out!

    Quote Originally Posted by sard1010 View Post
    I believe at your home games I save $20 on a min. buy in (from 60 down to 40) and get more bang for the buck due to the blinds being cut in half.
    One thing to also consider is the fact that no money is coming out of the pot in these home games, compared to up to $5 per hand coming off the table at the casino. It doesn't sound like much, but it's a killer at the low stakes and will make a huge difference to your bottom line over the long haul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sard1010 View Post
    Appreciate it trigs, sounds like a great game located pretty close to me. What's your policy on if I'd like to bring another player with me?
    You can bring a buddy. I have space for ten.
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    Bfillmaff - Greatly appreciated, thanks for drawing attention to your's as well. I initially was drawn more to trigs' home game but your tourney looks very compelling as well. The tables and set-up looks stellar. Out of curiousity, how many big blinds is that starting stack, unless I was blind (unintended pun) I didn't see anything about the blinds other than that they increase incrementally. Thanks, and I'll check with my buddy and see if we want in on your's too, hopefully before those remaining slots go.
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    Ty trigs, please put me and buddy (Ryan) down for the 18th. Much appreciated and look forward to it!
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    quite welcome!

    To answer your question, we typically start at 25/50 and go up gradually from there, keeping it moving nicely while trying to avoid big jumps. It's actually a shit ton of chips compared to the average tourney, as they are intentionally very deep during the rebuy / late registration period. I find it gives folks a chance to "get loose" (as you say) during those early stages.

    Your friend is also welcome, just let me know and I can get you guys on the list. And if I don't see you there, look forward to meeting you at trigs' game!

    Andrew

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    Sounds great Bfillmaff, thanks. I'll let you know if we want in

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