darbday

Reads: i think this is going to happen

edit: can be discussed as strat too

Poker Stars, $7.34 + $0.66 NL Hold'em Tournament, 50/100 Blinds, 8 Players

UTG: 2,072
UTG+1: 3,455
MP1: 1,815
JodaB. (MP2): 1,283
CO: 1,135
BTN: 2,015
SB: 2,725
BB: 1,380

Pre-Flop: (150) 8 8 dealt to JodaB. (MP2)
UTG calls 100, UTG+1 calls 100, MP1 folds, JodaB. raises to 725, 4 folds, UTG calls 625, UTG+1 folds

Flop: (1,700) 9 K A (2 Players)
UTG checks, JodaB. bets 558 and is All-In, UTG calls 558

Turn: (2,816) A (2 Players - 1 is All-In)


River: (2,816) T (2 Players - 1 is All-In)


Results: 2,816 Pot
UTG showed Q 7 and LOST (-1,283 NET)
JodaB. showed 8 8 and WON 2,816 (+1,533 NET)

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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.

trigs

is this a turbo?
i'd probably push preflop.

darbday

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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.

compuease

Certainly not optimal to me. You bet 2/3 of your stack pre? without pushing it all... Only thing worse imo is villians call, both pre and on flop..

Is this a question you are asking or was this a misclick?

kidcolt66

Why would UTG call after the flop with AK up is the question i have. Brutal

costanza

edited.

Richard~

if he's that wide it's probably optimal yes

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darbday

ya so obv utg is an uber spewer. I think if i jam he folds q7s and alot of his range-not very profitable from me.

Hes limping like 70%+ im sure. If I had aces I obv would never shove just bump it up and get it in on any flop, and here i think i pretty much have aces compared to the way he plays, and he'll see a flop with almost his whole range.

I read in a husng book last night that suggested just because its +ev doesn't mean its optimal to make a small raise raise here and that maybe making a larger one is even more +ev.

So vs a player like this i think thats max value...unless he calls a shove pre

few players play in such a way i can do this though

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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.

djgolfcan

Stop getting fancy and just shove pre-flop. With that many limpers you want to push as may of them out as possible.

The terrible play of the other is just mind boggling, did he not know you were all in, regardless of the flop ?

Richard~

so what if they all call us pre? we're extremely likely to be ahead

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darbday

generally i do

that is the motto of scared money imo. instead we want our opponent to call as many chips as possible with the weakest hand or range possible

Its important to me that when i identify a spewtard..his chips go to me and not someone else....no doubt this player won't make it another orbit.

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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.

betrthanphil

how do you think it is more profitable to bet like that and give them the flop. just shove pre. when you think to much is when you do dumb things. not you but the general poker population. This is an abc shove pre, why complicate things?

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Richard~

optimal? aka going supoer exploitative vs bad players

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betrthanphil

i dont understand how this is optimal. Not even going to try to explain or go into detail. If you don't see whats wrong with this, theres no hope.....

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there's no hope unless i shove to attemt picking up 350 chips over pseudo shoving 88 vs a calling range that includes Q7 and probably 67s? either we pick up 350 chips 100% of the time or we pick up 1550 chips or lose 1300 chips so our equaty would have to be given by the equation

(1300+1550) * x + (-1300) * (1-x) > 1650
2850x +1300x > 2950
4150x > 2950
x > 71%

We obviously doesn win 350 chips 100% of the time but if we assume we're not folding out anything that have us beat by shoving over raising or raising over shoving we can just pick any arbitrary value for the calculation since these hands will react the same way no matter how we play it

Results suggest that we need to be deeper for this to be a good idea unless we expect to fold out some hands that outflop us which I don't see happening. As for the no hope part I simply don't believe you. Just cause some things aren't instinctive to me doesn't mean you're any better with that last crappy post of yours

"why do you think it's profitable to give them a flop? just shove pre cause that's how you do it, you're overthinking it and when other people than you overthink it they sometimes mess up. Again, you shove, why must you think too much when other people might make mistakes when they do zomg"

Even though you wrote something like that it makes it clear that you have this down to instinct, I don't. But we already knew that you are better than me and OP, it just annoys me that you seem to claim that "hopeful" would imply "accepts the basics even though they don't really understand what it is based on"

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