Poorly Played Tournament Hand

Bulldogge · Mar 12,2006, 06:01 PM

I am looking for some critism on how I played this hand. This was still fairly early in the tournament and Yo Ho Ho had been at my table since the start and was playing loose. I think that a better strategy
might have been to keep the pot smaller all along by not raising him and not making such a big wager on the turn. My River bet was awful although my thinking at the time was that he was going to go
all-in anyways and I was going to have to call. I was crippled after this and was out within a couple of hands.

No Limit Texas Holdem ($150/$300 NL)

1} BulldoggeÂ* Â* Â*$7,000Â* Ks 9s
2) bastinÂ* Â* Â* Â* $2,475Â* ?? ??
3) McHazglenÂ* Â* Â*$5,830Â* ?? ??
5) TheGopherÂ* Â* $14,500Â* ?? ??
6) Yo Ho HoÂ* Â* Â* $5,725Â* Qh Ah
7) AnubusÂ* Â* Â* Â* $9,675Â* ?? ??
8) mksharkieÂ* Â* $22,225Â* ?? ??
9) Aces707Â* Â* Â* $25,900Â* ?? ??
10) Shanghai *Â* Â*$12,300Â* ?? ??

Bulldogge posts small blind $150
bastin posts big blind $300
McHazglen folds
TheGopher folds
Yo Ho Ho calls $300
Anubus folds
mksharkie folds
Aces707 folds
Shanghai folds
Bulldogge calls $150
bastin checks

FLOP:Â* Kd Qd 6h
Bulldogge checks
bastin checks
Yo Ho Ho bets $300
Bulldogge raises $300
bastin folds
Yo Ho Ho calls $300

TURN:Â* Kd Qd 6h 8h
Bulldogge bets $2,100
Yo Ho Ho calls $2,100

RIVER:Â* Kd Qd 6h 8h Ad
Bulldogge bets $4,000 (all-in)
Yo Ho Ho calls $2,725Â* (all-in)
Bulldogge shows Ks 9s
Yo Ho Ho shows Qh Ah

Yo Ho Ho wins $11,750 with Two Pair, Aces and Queens

JohnnieH · Mar 12,2006, 07:13 PM

Preplop: Smooth call, OK.
Flop: I'd have check-raised him for maybe $750-$1000. Better to end the hand here. If you get Re-raised, let it go. His cold calls says "Flush draw" to me
Turn. Ok, Big bet, he calls. Big Red Flag should be waving here!! You have to start think that you are behind with TP. Probally to a better kicker. I'd say KJ, or KQ.
River. The ace is an ugly card for you, since you don't have one check and be ready to fold when he bets.
Ask yourself what beats you. Any naked Ace, 2 diamonds, and 2 pair (KQ)

I don't see any reason to risk your whole tournament on MP!!!
Sometimes you have to know when to fold'em!!!

JohnnieH

WaterLooser · Mar 13,2006, 07:56 AM

Edit > removed my post, I need more coffee this morning. All thoughts were irrelevant, thanks for pointing that out g2.

g2 · Mar 13,2006, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by WaterLooser

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Originally Posted by JohnnieH

I don't see any reason to risk your whole tournament on MP!!!

Johnnie, I think you need to re-read the OP, he did have an Ace and I don't think this was a tournament hand, I think this was a cash game.

>>Edit - the title says tournament hand, so maybe it was a tournament. Either way, look how others post hand histories and maybe you can make more out of your next one.

LOL... it's not Johnnie who needs to re-read the OP.

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Originally Posted by Bulldogge

1} BulldoggeÂ* Â* Â*$7,000Â* Ks 9s
2) bastinÂ* Â* Â* Â* $2,475Â* ?? ??
3) McHazglenÂ* Â* Â*$5,830Â* ?? ??
5) TheGopherÂ* Â* $14,500Â* ?? ??
6) Yo Ho HoÂ* Â* Â* $5,725Â* Qh Ah
7) AnubusÂ* Â* Â* Â* $9,675Â* ?? ??
8) mksharkieÂ* Â* $22,225Â* ?? ??
9) Aces707Â* Â* Â* $25,900Â* ?? ??
10) Shanghai *Â* Â*$12,300Â* ?? ??

Bulldogge edited the hand history so it showed his opponents hole cards as well as his own (I'm 99.9% sure he's #1 on the list with K9s).

In response to the hand I completely agree with Johnnie.

/g2

beanie42 · Mar 13,2006, 10:05 AM

K9s in first position. I'd either toss this immediately, or simply call hoping to hit the flop hard (2 pair or flush draw), depending on the opponents. A pair with this hand is garbage since you have no kicker either way.

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Originally Posted by JohnnieH

Flop: I'd have check-raised him for maybe $750-$1000. Better to end the hand here. If you get Re-raised, let it go. His cold calls says "Flush draw" to me

On the flop, I wouldn't try a check-raise here since the board is so dangerous with both straight and flush draws. If he checks behind, he gets a free card which could beat us. If he raises and we call, we have no idea of the strength of his hand. If we check-raise and he calls (or re-raises), we're likely beat, so we've just spent a lot more to find out. Also, while the villain may be loose, there is another player to act behind us (and no read has been given on him). I'm very tempted to simply check-fold here. However, if you decide to play the hand, be the aggressor and raise about $600-900 hoping to win it right here. If not, I'm done with the hand.

Big E · Mar 13,2006, 10:20 AM

God I hate K9.....but it's suited and you're in the small blind, I think calling is not a bad play. I dump this in early or middle position however late if I'm first to act it's not a terrible hand to try and steal the blinds with.
Given that I would also call here I don't think I could check this flop? If someone bets how do you know where you stand? Does he have a K, what's his kicker? Maybe a Q...flush draw..too many questions. I think on the flop you're holding a weak hand but it may be good right now so I would throw out a bet of about 3/4 to pot size and hope to take it down right then and there. A call would really scare me, a re-raise and I fold. A call to a big bet here and I am definitely in check/fold mode on the turn and river.

Hork42 · Mar 13,2006, 10:34 AM

Definitely call the half-bet from the SB in an unraised pot against a loose player.

Flop comes K-high. You have top pair, but a very vulnerable hand and you might not be in the lead here with your weak kicker. Let's find out where we stand by leading out. 500 or so.... If I'm raised, byebye. I don't hate the c/r, but if you're going to do that make it for a larger amount. What you did doesn't define either hand, just makes the pot a little bit bigger and you don't necessarily want to do that since anything that calls you is currently beating you or is a draw that kicks your ass.

My hand ends on the flop... but as yours didn't, I'll comment on the turn and river as you played it.

Turn: Rag. Pot was unraised preflop, so I don't think I'm up against a monster... but, I have to be aware of a slowplayed set of 6s, or a diamond flush draw, or a straight draw (JT)... A pot sized bet is huge. He called it? Oh crap. I'm beat. Get out.

River: Ad. Worst possible card I can see. I'm not putting any more chips in the pot since any of the hands I put him on beats me now.

JohnnieH · Mar 13,2006, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by g2

In response to the hand I completely agree with Johnnie.

Woot Woot!!!! Atta boy, Greg!!!

Bulldogge · Mar 14,2006, 07:19 AM

Excellent feedback - thx. The worst thing about this hand is that during this tournament I had noticed how many people were being crippled or eliminated by overplaying pairs - then did the same thing.

OnTilt98 · Mar 16,2006, 12:12 AM

Well, the check raise did not give you much info on your opponents hand. A bigger raise to maybe 1200 would let you get a better idea. If he calls I would be willing to push my stack with that card on the turn not being a scare card. Anyone with a better hand is not going to slow play with a flush and str8 draw out there.your better off to make the first bet though and if he goes huge fold. Sometimes you need to pick your battles and waiting for a stronger hand would be the better play. If I did play it out as you did, there was a possble flush, str8 or any Ace to beat you so I would have figured my hand to be behind and maybe throw out a small bet and a raise would be the time to fold.