Quetion about a mucked hand?

dragondeath · Mar 28,2006, 02:25 AM

Hi just wondering if anyone has had this happen ? I playing in a 1-1 nl cash game that followed a 46 player tourney. max buy in was $20 with unlimited rebuys when you were down to zero. so new guy sits down and 10 people on table 6-7 limpers then he goes all in for $20. it gets folded around to me i have hands on cards protecting them and he throws his hand in the muck and i say HOLD ON i still in this and you just mucked i call. he takes his $19 back and pushes the pot to me. now should i not get his other 19$ too as he did say all in then mucked? i took the pot but did not push this issue as he was a friend of my brothers.thanks for your responses in advance.

MickeyHoldem · Mar 28,2006, 06:40 AM

In a casino you would/should be entitled to the entire $20, although nothing would surprise me, and some additional info would be required for a clearer ruling. It doesn't sound like this happened in a casino environment -- who was dealing? were you one of the limpers?

BBC Z · Mar 28,2006, 10:24 AM

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i have hands on cards protecting them

Does that mean that you had your cards hidden from his view?

Anyway, don't angle shoot if it was a legit mistake. If the guy does it constantly, then take his stack.

Yorkpoker · Mar 28,2006, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BBC Z

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Does that mean that you had your cards hidden from his view?

Anyway, don't angle shoot if it was a legit mistake. If the guy does it constantly, then take his stack.

Strictly speaking, whether it was you hiding cards (shame) or him not paying attention, you are entitled to the whole pot ($20 incl).

Having said that you are giving the impression that this was a 'friendly' home style game in which case I agree with BBC. If dude does this more than once (or if he has been asked to wait his turn a few times) I would make a stink.

BBC Z · Mar 28,2006, 10:39 AM

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Strictly speaking, whether it was you hiding cards (shame) or him not paying attention, you are entitled to the whole pot ($20 incl).

Having said that you are giving the impression that this was a 'friendly' home style game in which case I agree with BBC. If dude does this more than once (or if he has been asked to wait his turn a few times) I would make a stink.

While I would love to get into another rule discussion with the group that nitpicks every rule to the letter.. There's no way that a floor would rule like this at a casino unless the villian did this repeatedly.

Yorkpoker · Mar 28,2006, 11:59 AM

There's a difference between what the rule says (and the rule is clear -at least to me- that the hero gets that $20) and what would be done about it.

At a home game, I agree that a warning is appropriate at first.

At a casino, I am not sure - it would depend on the floor on duty, other players at the table, if the villian is known there (good or bad), things like that.

Perhaps I read the OP wrong, but I thought our hero asked what should happen in this case.

ChrisWinsor · Mar 28,2006, 02:36 PM

First off, i'd say you're in the wrong for having your hands covering the cards. When ever I play poker i make everyone have their cards in front of them, and heavily suggest putting a chip on their cards to signal that they're still in the hand. Since you're cards were hidden it was understandable that the other player thought everyone folded, and seeing as how he just signalled the weakness of his hand you should really just be thankful that he gave you the pot instead of arguing that you hid your cards.

dragondeath · Mar 29,2006, 04:43 AM

Thanks for the responces . First my hands were protecting my cards not hiding them i had done the same thing all day no one said anything but he was to my left and may have missed it. It was at a small tourney most people knew each other and it was not at a casino just a bar in the basement. and this player was a good player and nothing happened before or during tourney to show otherwise so it was a mistake. i think i will invest in a card protector to see it does not happen again. and i really was just wondering if this had happened in a casino what would they do. thanks to all

Dave Scharf · Apr 04,2006, 02:14 PM

I doubt you would be awarded the pot in a casino. That would be a severe penalty for an honest mistake. He is obviously not shooting an angle ... he has nothing to gain. So, it's an honest mistake. For the good of the game, the floor shoudl not take his $20. Recover his cards and play the hand. Can't do that? I would rule that he get the $19 back and forfeit the rest.