Small Stakes NL Help

scotsrule · Dec 01,2005, 04:02 PM

Sorry - don't have the hand converter for this - but I will go from memory. Recently started playing small buy in no limit ring games
$.25 - $.25 NLHE - $25 Max 9 Handed
Been at the table for 40 minutes - table is loose passive, I have built my stack to $45 on 2 hands that went to showdown - I would assume my image is tight and somewhat aggressive
Hero is in the BB with AsKs
UTG folds
UTG+1 flat calls
all call to BB
Hero raises to $4
UTG+ 1 calls (stack $55) - I have seen him call 5 raises with suited connectors or small pocket pairs - plays relatively well after the flop- he has been busting people by being very aggro after the flop
all fold to cut - off - re-raises all in for $16 - relatively new to the table - but he has pushed all in twice - once with 88, once with AJ suited - both times he was called and won the hands
fold to button - calls all in with $13 - very new to table
Action back to me?
Fold?
Flat call?
Raise?

Looking for some input and I will then post results and my thoughts

Flint Bones · Dec 01,2005, 04:05 PM

At this point you are probably best off folding. Someone has a pocket pair and probably not a low one. It may be a tight fold, but I would think you are behind with 50/50 at best.

SirWatts · Dec 01,2005, 05:25 PM

Iwould push, you are getting well over 2:1 on a call and there is no reason to think anyone has AA or KK given your descriptions, so folding would be bad. You might as well put the decision to the other player since you're going to want to see all 5 cards anyways, and he might call with a worse hand, or another pocket pair, which would be fine since if you hit an A or K you figure to beat all the pocket pairs most of the time. You will lose this pot most of the time, but it seems like a very +EV situation overall, since the times you win you pick up a monster pot.

pkrfce9 · Dec 01,2005, 05:44 PM

I can't give the LP players credit for big hands. Why would they limp with a bunch of limpers already in? So maybe give them credit for a small PP or some kind of suited or connected holding. The EP player, you already know the kind of hands he plays. There's a chance he's got something but he didn't re-raise you either when he had the chance, so I don't think he's sitting on Aces.

Give 3 other players credit for small pairs or suited hands, you still have more than a 1/3 chance of winning. Given the money already in the pot, I think I'd be tempted to push. I think you'd prefer to chase out the EP player. Don't give him odds to beat you with a suited hand. If you can get him to fold, you have almost a 40% shot at the pot and you've put in about 30% of the money. Seems like a good deal. You will lose 60% of the time but when you win, it more than makes up for it.

ScoobyD · Dec 01,2005, 05:52 PM

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It may be a tight fold, but I would think you are behind with 50/50 at best.

If you're 50/50 in this pot getting over 3:1 on this call, you might as well push and force the decision to UTG + 1 for the rest of his chips. Stacks are nowhere deep enough to consider folding this and you have no reason to think that you're up against AA or KK considering the CO limped originally after a bunch of other limpers. Worst case, one or 2 of your overcards are gone and you're up against a small pocket, but I think the price you're getting more than makes up for this...

BBC Z · Dec 01,2005, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint Bones

At this point you are probably best off folding. Someone has a pocket pair and probably not a low one. It may be a tight fold, but I would think you are behind with 50/50 at best.

?? At worst, hero is going to get 4 to 1 on his money, which is almost close enough to call with ANY pair, how could you lay down a monster like this?

Flint Bones · Dec 01,2005, 09:16 PM

Because people way overvalue AK to two raises and someone left to follow.

BBC Z · Dec 02,2005, 12:58 AM

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Because people way overvalue AK to two raises and someone left to follow.

Don't the pot odds compensate you for the times you are wrong? (when you don't hold two overcards to the villains pocket pairs?)

Flint Bones · Dec 02,2005, 06:28 AM

Absolutley. But in this instance I am pretty sure someone has a pocket pair. That's why I say fold. When you have 2 all ins before you the AK becomes a lot weaker. You still have the other guy to account for. Could you win, yes but I think the odds in this case (and I only mean this case) are below %50.

scotsrule · Dec 02,2005, 08:24 AM

Hey there, thanks for the replies
My thought process was:
I thought that at least one of the players had a medium to small pocket pair and the other probably had AK, AQ, AJ
The player to me left was the person I was worried about - my read on him told me if I flat called, so would he and I really didn't want to play this hand after the flop - as I read him as having some type of suited connector or small pocket
I pushed, he thought for a long time, and finally folded
Anyone want to guess what the other players had?

BBC Z · Dec 02,2005, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint Bones

Absolutley. But in this instance I am pretty sure someone has a pocket pair. That's why I say fold. When you have 2 all ins before you the AK becomes a lot weaker. You still have the other guy to account for. Could you win, yes but I think the odds in this case (and I only mean this case) are below %50.

The point is that your odds to win are greater than 33%, not 50%

scotsrule · Dec 03,2005, 12:47 PM

As it runed out
all in 1 - JJ
all in 2 AQ
So it was a race and I was happy with my play - especailly on a flop of KQ3

until a jack hit on the turn that is
thanks for the replies

Dave Scharf · Dec 04,2005, 11:08 AM

I know I have seen the answer but...

I would have moved all-in pre-flop after the raises.

The play of the hand to that point suggests to me that the two raisers do NOT have A-A or K-K the ONLY two hands in this spot that you are worried about. In that case, move in to get UTG+1 out of the hand and get a look at all five cards with your AK. You are probably the favourite.

In reality were you the favourite or a dog?

JJ v AK you are a dog.

But AK in a three way pot v JJ and AQ the A-Q is the only loser. He funds the positive EV situation for the other two -- especially with dead money in the pot from UTG+1.