You've gotta be kidding me...

Graham · Dec 17,2008, 12:14 AM

Full Tilt Poker Game #9535922543: Table Tee Pee (6 max) - $1/$2 - $80 Cap Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 1:09:28 ET - 2008/12/17
Seat 1: iamnotkit ($69.70)
Seat 2: mic4466 ($165.05)
Seat 3: moemoney11 ($0), is sitting out
Seat 4: minhchies ($200.35)
Seat 5: DuckAA ($117.25)
Seat 6: brbgraham ($229.05)
mic4466 posts the small blind of $1
minhchies posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to brbgraham [8s Ac As 3h]
DuckAA calls $2
brbgraham raises to $9
moemoney11 stands up
iamnotkit folds
mic4466 folds
minhchies adds $1.65
minhchies folds
DuckAA has 15 seconds left to act
DuckAA calls $7
*** FLOP *** [6h 3d Tc]
DuckAA checks
brbgraham bets $21
DuckAA has 15 seconds left to act
DuckAA calls $21
*** TURN *** [6h 3d Tc] [Qd]
DuckAA has 15 seconds left to act
DuckAA checks
brbgraham bets $50, and is capped
DuckAA calls $50, and is capped
brbgraham shows [8s Ac As 3h]
DuckAA shows [Jd 7h 8d 7c]
*** RIVER *** [6h 3d Tc Qd] [5d]
brbgraham shows a pair of Aces
DuckAA shows a flush, Queen high
DuckAA wins the pot ($160) with a flush, Queen high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $163 | Rake $3
Board: [6h 3d Tc Qd 5d]
Seat 1: iamnotkit (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: mic4466 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: moemoney11 is sitting out
Seat 4: minhchies (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: DuckAA showed [Jd 7h 8d 7c] and won ($160) with a flush, Queen high
Seat 6: brbgraham showed [8s Ac As 3h] and lost with a pair of Aces

Full Tilt Poker Game #9535942978: Table Tee Pee (6 max) - $1/$2 - $80 Cap Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 1:11:08 ET - 2008/12/17
Seat 1: iamnotkit ($62.70)
Seat 2: mic4466 ($164.05)
Seat 4: minhchies ($200)
Seat 5: DuckAA ($190.25)
Seat 6: brbgraham ($168.65)
DuckAA posts the small blind of $1
brbgraham posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to brbgraham [Kc Kh Qs Jd]
iamnotkit folds
mic4466 folds
minhchies folds
DuckAA raises to $6
brbgraham has 15 seconds left to act
brbgraham raises to $18
DuckAA calls $12
*** FLOP *** [Qd 5d 2s]
DuckAA checks
brbgraham bets $36
DuckAA has 15 seconds left to act
DuckAA calls $36
*** TURN *** [Qd 5d 2s] [4d]
sales32 sits down
sales32 adds $160
DuckAA has 15 seconds left to act
DuckAA checks
brbgraham bets $26, and is capped
DuckAA has 15 seconds left to act
DuckAA has requested TIME
DuckAA calls $26, and is capped
brbgraham shows [Kc Kh Qs Jd]
DuckAA shows [Ah 5h Js Tc]
*** RIVER *** [Qd 5d 2s 4d] [5s]
brbgraham shows two pair, Kings and Fives
DuckAA shows three of a kind, Fives
DuckAA wins the pot ($157) with three of a kind, Fives
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $160 | Rake $3
Board: [Qd 5d 2s 4d 5s]
Seat 1: iamnotkit didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: mic4466 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: minhchies (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: DuckAA (small blind) showed [Ah 5h Js Tc] and won ($157) with three of a kind, Fives
Seat 6: brbgraham (big blind) showed [Kc Kh Qs Jd] and lost with two pair, Kings and Fives

GTA Poker · Dec 17,2008, 12:41 AM

meh

westside8 · Dec 17,2008, 01:09 AM

Why capped PLO?

GTA Poker · Dec 17,2008, 01:48 AM

I actually find the capped games harder to beat and more frustrating. Checking my stats I'm a big winner at all levels of PLO uncapped and a mild loser at cap plo$1 and $.50 -- I tend to only go down to those games when I feel the tilt coming on, so maybe that's part of the reason, I dunno.

DrTyore · Dec 17,2008, 10:15 AM

Graham...

"Small hand, small pot. Big hand, big pot" - you just got it all in (effectively) with an overpair in OMAHA.

Mark

stpboy · Dec 17,2008, 10:46 AM

Yes, although the villain did ultimately "suck out" as much as you can call it "sucking out" in Omaha. I think you overplayed your hands. Just something to think about.

stp

westside8 · Dec 17,2008, 10:55 AM

In capped PLO where you can only get 40BB into a pot...jam jam jam is probably the best way to play these type of hands.

DrTyore · Dec 17,2008, 11:08 AM

Best way to play if you wanna lose 40BB / hand.

Mark

westside8 · Dec 17,2008, 11:57 AM

So you're suggesting to play this passively?

DrTyore · Dec 17,2008, 12:19 PM

Over pair in PLOM is about the equivalent of 2nd - 3rd pair in NLHE IMO....

Look at the first hand.. flop is 6-10-3 rainbow, now he bets out the pot. This is not a draw-y board, but he gets called anyways. So on the turn - with only an overpair - he bets the pot / all-in? Anyone floating that flop looks to be sitting there with at WORST a wrap straight, but likely a set. Now, obviously this guy's a donkey having called with his underpair / gutshot combo, but Graham didn't say anything about history of the player. If the guy had a wrap straight + say a pair of 10's, he has 16 outs twice --> You a dog (if he had say 7-8-9-10).

The second hand, he bets again, bets the flop again, and is against the same donkey who obviously will draw to flushes / gutshots, and then on the turn, both straights and flushes get there, so he bets out again.... sure.. it was only $26 in a pot that was now $108, but still, even 4:1 with an overpair? bad move.

Mark

westside8 · Dec 17,2008, 12:52 PM

So you are check-folding these hands on the turn/river?

DrTyore · Dec 17,2008, 01:00 PM

Well

Further thought... pot bets on the flop are unnecessary, they're too big, committing yourself to calling with sub-standard hands. If the pot is say $36 out of a maximum of $160, any pot-sized bet that is called is really committing yourself (36*3 - 108/160). Making it a $26 call. With the first hand, $21 bet that is called makes it a $63 pot, which is escapeable, but then he bets himself All-in with just one pair again?

Now, switch it around, (i'll just use hand #2). He bets pot PF, sure... fine. On the flop, where there are straight and flush draws, you're facing a potential 12 outs... he's not likely to go anywhere anyways. If he has only one or the other, a 1/2 pot bet takes the odds away, and only swells to pot from $36 to $72. On the turn, where ALL the draws get there, he can now check to see the river, or fold to a turn / river bet that would put him all in (which would be $44).

Mark

GTA Poker · Dec 17,2008, 02:37 PM

Discussion is ridiculous for a capped game with no reads on the players -- both of these hands are extremely read dependent post flop, period. There is no standard play in either case without reads. If I just sat in these games I would never commit my effective stack with these hands post flop, but after playing several orbits vs the right player I would always do it.