zane

I am getting killed in Ring and SNG's by people limping with AA, KK, AK. There isn't anyway to prevent this or recognize this unless you see a person doing this, is there? If then you recognize the person doing this your playing into his play not yours. Any Ideas!

STR82ACE

Getting killed playing against monsters You mean that happens?

Seriously, until you can get a read, there isn't much you can do at this point. Players will limp with monsters all the time, hoping that they pay off. But if you look into it, you'll find that alot of the time, you suck out on them and they end up paying YOU off instead.

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DrTyore

Well, I can only assume two things:

A: Because they're limping, you've not raised behind them, else they would have (most likely) re-raised. If this is the case, I'm putting you on small - medium pocket pairs, suited connectors, etc.

B: If they're not re-raising, and seeing flops with AA / KK etc, then you're likely over-valuing your hand holding.

E.g.: UTG limp, you limp from cutoff with J-10d SB completes. Flop comes
2-7-10 rainbow, SB checks, BB checks, you bet your top pair, and SB folds, but BB re-raises... hmmm.. well, he check raised, so if my read is he's a "tricky" player that just likes to bully, well, I may re-raise, but otherwise, what's he gonna do that with? A set? Yup... two pair? Maybe... an overpair? - also possible... and all those beat me. THere's an outside chance he'll do that as a semi-bluff however, but still....

Limping with AA is a bad move, not because you're less likely to win, but because you're giving someone a chance to fleece you cheaply! Same scenario above, you shouldn't be going be going broke with top pair, especially with a weak kicker... but if the flop's J-10-3, then you crush his AA more often than not!

Mark

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pkrfce9

'it depends'... i make far more limping with AA then i do raising with it in some circumstances

rule #1: don't go broke in an unraised pot

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noah

My advice for how to deal with this in a SNG is never risk all your chips.

If the flop comes 2 4 8 rainbow and you've got A8 and top pair don't automatically push in or bet too big. Make a decent sized bet to test him. If he sticks around for the turn and the river then I would check the river and fold to his big raise. I basically am always aware of AA KK QQ when flops like that come because lets face it, top pair is easily beaten.

I will push in with 2 pair (cracked slow played pocket aces twice like this in a multi the other night) and take my chances they won't trip up since I have just as good of a chance of hitting a boat. You can also bust the aces when you hit your set. My best advice is to never get too greedy and always make sure you have some chips left over to make a comeback unless you are almost certain you have him beat. Use a good Poker Calculator like Poker Pro 2006 or OPI. But I think Poker Pro 2006 is a superior product with tracking facilities and other advance features. I have come back from the very short stack in SNGs several times (150 or less) to place in the top 3.

chaosicq

i use this rule to combat slow played kk aa ect if a pair comes up on the board never move all in with a single pair even if you hit top pair ,if the board does not pair and you have two pair then you make your own mind up on what the possible hands available are.