Cash game hand...

g2 · Apr 13,2008, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bleemo

I'm not "pretending"to be anything nor am I on a high horse, it's the posters cash, let them give it away if they want too.

Folding in this spot would be giving away cash.

/g2

bleemo · Apr 13,2008, 02:51 PM

IMO, so is calling a pre-flop raise with 56s

g2 · Apr 13,2008, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bleemo

IMO, so is calling a pre-flop raise with 56s

IMO, that is a leak in your game.

/g2

bleemo · Apr 13,2008, 02:57 PM

Fair enough.

g2 · Apr 13,2008, 02:59 PM

So we agree to disagree. Cool. I gotta go, but this was fun. I'm sure we'll do it again sometime. Enjoy the rest of your afternoon.

/g2

BlondeFish · Apr 14,2008, 12:17 AM

It's easier to do the analysis with dollar amounts, so let's assume that the big blind is $5 (e.g., 5/5 game). Hero has $625 (125 BB). Hero has put $55 (11 BB) into the pot when Player A reraises to $200 then the biggest stack Limper2 re-raises all-in. It would cost the hero his remaining $570 to make the call, and Player A his remaining $200. Player A will probably call, so hero would risk $570 to win a total pot of $1670 [(125 BB * 2 + 80 BB + 4 BB) * $5]. He is getting pot odds of 1.9-to-1; he needs to have an equity of over 34% to make calling correct.

Hero has 3 outs for his straight draw, but the nine hearts may not be good as outs. With the betting so far, an Ace-high flush draw or set is among the likely range of all-in hands and hero's hand may not be good even if he hits a flush or straight. "Without reads" on how bad/solid the players are, hero does not have enough probable outs to make calling correct. I would fold and wait for a much better opportunity to risk my $570.

MickeyHoldem · Apr 14,2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BlondeFish

It's easier to do the analysis with dollar amounts

I think you mean it may be more "intuitive" with dollar amounts... the analysis did not get any "easier".

If OP is confident with his reads... calling is +EV... but he only has to be wrong 1 in 10 times or so to push this into negative territory.

For the record, I fold here... and wait for a better spot as well.

ReefAquarium · May 16,2008, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by stpboy

Playing in a very deep cash game.

Limper2 sitting with 150BB
Hero siting with 125BB
Player A sitting with 80BB
Limper1 sitting with 50BB

This is your first hand at the table, no reads.

Hero posts in late position. Two limpers before Player A makes it 4x to go.

I'd like the preflop raiser to have a bigger stack (around 120BB).
I'd also like to know that the two limpers are also calling and not raising before I come in.

If the limper had 150BB and there were 2 cold callers behind the raiser I'd be fine with calling the 4BB raise.
But as played I'd fold this 80-90% of the time.

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Both limpers call, Hero calls with 56h

Four to the flop.

Kh 2h 4d

Limper1 checks.

Limper2 Bets 7BB

Hero Calls.

Player A re-raises, making it 40BB.

Limper1 Folds.

Limper2 goes all in for his 150BB.

Action on the hero, what do you do here? Is this simply a math decision to you? Without reads or knowledge of how much the money means to each player, I can only assume both have hit large. Or is that wrong to assume that?

stp

You have 9 outs to a flush and 2 more to a straight.
But your flush outs are non-nut outs. So you have to discount them. I'd say you have 8 discounted outs.