Playing AJ and A10

Wetts1012 · May 21,2009, 12:55 PM

This is when I time bank, do a quick check of OPR, find out that Jorden4 is a solid $55 SNG reg. and check call.

Solid regs arent usually calling EP raises with KJ and action behind.

Check fold if he ships.

DennisG · May 21,2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Wetts1012

This is when I time bank, do a quick check of OPR, find out that Jorden4 is a solid $55 SNG reg. and check call.

Solid regs arent usually calling EP raises with KJ and action behind.

Check fold if he ships.

lol...read my mind...exactly what I did..OPR is always open

not quite what I expected...made notes.

*** RIVER *** [Jh 9s 6c 3s] [7h]
Bcboy72 checks
Jorden4 bets 570
Bcboy72 calls 570
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Jorden4 shows [8d 7d] a pair of Sevens
Bcboy72 shows [Jc Ah] a pair of Jacks
Bcboy72 wins the pot (2,085) with a pair of Jacks

zunni74 · May 21,2009, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Wetts1012

I find great joy in folding these hands in any EP playing fullring.

Something about folding AJ UTG makes me feel like Im doing something right.

Seriously - Look in your DB at the hands youve played limping AJ or A10 anywhere in EP. I found it to be a huge leak of mine, and would be interested to see if anyone else had the same results.

This includes chip spew in tournaments and cash game leaks.

This + 1000

blackmagicz · May 21,2009, 07:47 PM

Yeah the constant call on the flop and turn usually means he is looking for a cheap showdown with his hand. NH!

I find nowadays too many people are looking at c-bets as a sign of weakness and are not adjusting accordingly.

waltsfriend · May 21,2009, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kingkong

How do you guys like to play these hands at a full table?

I tend to limp and then if no raises come pre flop I have a certain level of confidence should an ace hit the board. It seems to catch many smaller aces off gaurd. Of course short handed it's a different story. In late position with no limpers I mix in some raises.

The problem with your strategy of limping in with A-J/A-10 is that you have no idea where you are when you hit your ace. There are two possibilities that beat you here. One, is that some people like limping with A-K/A-Q. If they are in the pot your kicker is not good. The other possibility is that you are in the pot with a small ace - possibly suited. You have no idea if they have hit two pair. If I am playing well, I either fold this hand, or raise with it to steal. I don't normally expect to win with this hand unless I hit two pair, or I hit the jack or 10 without the ace.

blackmagicz · May 22,2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by waltsfriend

The problem with your strategy of limping in with A-J/A-10 is that you have no idea where you are when you hit your ace. There are two possibilities that beat you here. One, is that some people like limping with A-K/A-Q. If they are in the pot your kicker is not good. The other possibility is that you are in the pot with a small ace - possibly suited. You have no idea if they have hit two pair. If I am playing well, I either fold this hand, or raise with it to steal. I don't normally expect to win with this hand unless I hit two pair, or I hit the jack or 10 without the ace.

I think in these types of situations you usually find out where you are at on the turn. I will try to check A high or 10 flops if I am worried about someone limping in with a better kicker based on my history with the player (live), online I tend to play it a little more straight forward until you get resistance.

I think the key when playing AJ/A10 is pot control until you are reasonably sure you have the best hand.

The biggest reason why people lose with these hands or remember they lose the most, is the similar argument with AA...if you over value your hand you will most likely get yourself into bad situations where you are only a marginal favorite.

Post flop hand reading is definitely an advantage with these types of hands.

kingkong · May 22,2009, 12:01 PM

I like AJ

PokerStars Game #28492075383: Tournament #165788531, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2009/05/22 12:58:29 ET
Table '165788531 2' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: nance1 (2405 in chips)
Seat 2: annemor (1570 in chips)
Seat 3: PRB31 (2641 in chips)
Seat 4: garegerret (1296 in chips)
Seat 5: Rolcsi88 (1720 in chips)
Seat 6: Pommesbub (2452 in chips)
Seat 7: Sir.Bohne (161 in chips)
Seat 8: Molletsdeouf (2020 in chips)
Seat 9: moxlee (3430 in chips)
Pommesbub: posts small blind 50
Sir.Bohne: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PRB31 [Ac Jh]
Molletsdeouf: folds
moxlee: folds
nance1: folds
annemor: folds
PRB31: raises 200 to 300
garegerret: folds
Rolcsi88: folds
Pommesbub: folds
Sir.Bohne: calls 61 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (139) returned to PRB31
*** FLOP *** [Ah Jd Th]
*** TURN *** [Ah Jd Th] [Js]
*** RIVER *** [Ah Jd Th Js] [9d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Sir.Bohne: shows [7d 6h] (a pair of Jacks)
PRB31: shows [Ac Jh] (a full house, Jacks full of Aces)
PRB31 collected 372 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 372 | Rake 0
Board [Ah Jd Th Js 9d]
Seat 1: nance1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: annemor folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: PRB31 showed [Ac Jh] and won (372) with a full house, Jacks full of Aces
Seat 4: garegerret folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Rolcsi88 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Pommesbub (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Sir.Bohne (big blind) showed [7d 6h] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 8: Molletsdeouf folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: moxlee folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Quinner · May 22,2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Wetts1012

This is when I time bank, do a quick check of OPR, find out that Jorden4 is a solid $55 SNG reg. and check call.

Solid regs arent usually calling EP raises with KJ and action behind.

Check fold if he ships.

Just curious OPR??

blackmagicz · May 22,2009, 03:02 PM

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kingkong · May 23,2009, 07:30 AM

Im done with the 1$ sng. I moved waayyyyyyy up

to the 3$ sng level and it's a better game. Less donks and generally more proper play. The few wild players usually get bumped off pretty quick for chasing hoop dreams.

I cashed in 5 of 6 so pretty good start.

Meistro · Aug 24,2009, 08:59 AM

Early position you need to muck A10 and might as well fold AJ. In late position I'll almost always open raise and usually raise loose limpers. Generally fold to any reraise. After the flop it is far too situational dependent to say anything without looking at a hand, but I will try to bet if I am winning and not bet if I am not winning.