Poll: What's a 3bet?

g2 · Mar 26,2008, 01:55 PM

You are UTG. Blinds are 10/20. You raise to 60. UTG+1 reraises to 180.

Is UTG+1's reraise to 180 a 2bet or a 3bet?

/g2

Davis08 · Mar 26,2008, 01:58 PM

i think its a 3bet?
when you make it 3x the prior bet?

g2 · Mar 26,2008, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davis08

i think its a 3bet?
when you make it 3x the prior bet?

"2bet", "3bet" etc has nothing to do with the sizes, it has to do with how many bets/raises there have been.

/g2

g2 · Mar 26,2008, 02:20 PM

Quote:

three-bet
(v) raise a raise, that is put in the third bet; often followed by the name of a person. "He opened, I raised, and he three-bet me." "I opened, Sue raised, and Willie three-bet the pot."

I guess the terminology applies more to limit than no-limit.

However, in no-limit the first bet is just a "bet", not a raise. Right?

So in this case UTG+1 is not "raising a raise". I.e. he's only 2betting.

/g2

Davis08 · Mar 26,2008, 02:22 PM

i think it may be understood differently in no limit? maybe ur right tho

blackmagicz · Mar 26,2008, 02:38 PM

The original 3 bet is in limit when there is a raise then re-raise (as in limit usually its a 4 bet cap)

The 3 bet term is now being used widely in NL to describe a raise (most online instructional sites use this terminology)

In NL a 3 bet is 3x the original bet

In limit a 3bet is 2 additional bets on top of the original bet.

Davis08 · Mar 26,2008, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackmagicz

The original 3 bet is in limit when there is a raise then re-raise (as in limit usually its a 4 bet cap)

The 3 bet term is now being used widely in NL to describe a raise (most online instructional sites use this terminology)

In NL a 3 bet is 3x the original bet

In limit a 3bet is 2 additional bets on top of the original bet.

can we all be friends now

actyper · Mar 26,2008, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by g2

However, in no-limit the first bet is just a "bet", not a raise. Right?

Preflop there is no such thing as a bet, only raises in any game. Therefore the 3bet is the reraise. (1st bet is the BB, 2nd bet is the raise)

SirWatts · Mar 26,2008, 03:13 PM

A 3-bet is a reraise, so your example is a 3-bet (the big blind counts as the first bet). Terminology comes from limit originally where it's more intuitive.

BBC Z · Mar 26,2008, 03:23 PM

hahahahaha

blackmagicz · Mar 26,2008, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davis08

can we all be friends now

For sure just not at the poker table

HAHAHAHA

g2 · Mar 26,2008, 04:13 PM

Hmmm guess I always misunderstood the terminology.

My fave response so far is BBC Z's

/g2

13CARDS · Mar 26,2008, 04:23 PM

You are UTG. Blinds are 10/20. You raise...and are re-raised.

LIMIT GAME
Re-raiser: "I three-bet it" (Binding!! Raised from 40 to 60.)

NO LIMIT
Re-raiser: "I three-bet it" (Not binding!! Cannot be assumed to be a raise or re-raise and does not include an amount.)

Is the [re-]raise...a 2bet or a 3bet?

compuease · Mar 26,2008, 04:47 PM

I kinda go along with 13Cards here (I think)... It is my understanding that the term, 2 bet, 3 bet, apply only to Structured Limit, not NL. My way of thinking and ALL I have ever heard playing Casino NL in Niagara, Vegas or Atlantic City is raise or re-raise or re-raise again (This last raise means AA or KK, lol). If we were trying to retrofit the term 2 bet or 3 bet into NL to me a 2 bet would be the 1st raise, a 3 bet the 2nd raise.. But that's just me...

cadillac · Mar 27,2008, 01:33 PM

If we are trying to re-invent the wheel here than please....go ahead and debate this. If you are trying to understand proper terminology for either limit or no-limit games here it is:

Pre-flop: BB is the first bet. A raise is the 2nd. re-raise is the 3rd.