djgolfcan

On the button with Ks-Qd - everyone has over $200 at the table

UTG +2 - raise to $10
Cut off - calls
Button (hero) - calls

Flop - Ah-Jc-Ts
UTG +1 bets $25
Cut off calls $25
Hero: ?? - What does everyone recommend at this stage -

We have flopped the nuts on a rainbow board - do we just flat call ? Min raise ? Suggestions welcomed

syphilaids

Raise.
go to 65. One of these players obviuosly has something, time to massage the pot. Chances are you can get a weaker hand to call a bet, or 2pair/AK/set to put all their chips in. No point in slowplaying as live players generally hate to fold.

reibs

I think the number one thing I would consider in this situation is how the table has been playing. Also, ur image?

IMO the only hands that stack off to you here are AJ/AT/AA/JJ/TT.

Min raising is my least favourite option as it gives away the strength of our hand to anyone paying attention. If hes been a very aggressive player post flop, just call and let him continue to bet at it. If he has been fairly passive, then raise him hoping for a call (or shove?). After all, it looks like he thinks he has the best hand right now when hes leading into a multiway pot in EP.

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pokerJAH

I raise to 100-125; if they got a set or two pair (or combined with a straight draw), they ain't going anywhere. They can still catch up so they got to pay. Likely pushing on the turn if I get a call. If you don't build pots with the nuts, you don't make any money!

It is player dependant obviously. If you expect a big bet on the turn, then calling might be a viable option.

btw, was this the RH game? Its pretty deep? I find the buy ins for most home games to be pretty shallow.

GTA Poker

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It all depends on your image and the image of the other players in the hand. NLH isn't an ABC formulated game.

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It depends.
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That level 5 trap really paid off...ship him the cookies.

Richard~

I like the flat call if we're shallower than 300 dollars here

blackmagicz

I think a lot of you are mis reading the strengths of people's hands. UTG is most likely c-betting so I don't give him credit for a monster. Now the flat call looks like some sort of AX combo trying to make a 4 card straight. I can't see people slow playing the flop based on the action preflop.

In this sitution due to the action preflop (raise to 10 bucks) you have to assume most likely ranges are AX KX mid pairs etc....I have a feeling that if you raise this flop you may get 1 caller hoping to hit the turn but I don't think its the fireworks people think it will be.

Once again this is read dependant, so we would need more info on each of the players to make a more accurate assumption. Obv if the 2 players in the hands are nits you want to get it in and create action, but if they are both laggy looking to make draws and improve a lot of the time on the turn, thats the time to slow play.

T8urmoney

agree with most here......this is a villain dependant spot

if villain UTG+1 has barrelling tendencies, I think I slowplay, and try to get it all in on turn, as the stacks indicate that can happen easily if he barrells another 60-80 on turn

usually with my cash game image, I'm better off raising the flop (to 60 or 70), as I'll get alot of Ax calling

either way, it's more easily answered with table images of all players involved

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darbday

i can't stop salivating....whats the question?

syphilaids

I agree it's villian dependant, but given it's a live 1/2 game most people are generally loose.

The point I was trying to make here is that unless both villians are stupidly loose, you won't see a lot of money going in on the turn when you slowplay unless:
1)They allready have a made hand they're willing to spew with
2) They improve to a hand they'll spew with.

Although a raise on the flop may get a fold, it's still worth it to massage the pot at this point. If we pop it to 65 or something, The pot will be about $150 with just ONE caller. With 2, it grows to 215. Everyone will have stacks of 125 and it will be much easier to get their stack in on the turn.
On the flop given a lag player, He's probably calling with most Ax hands, combo draws, and shippnig his sets/2pair. Hell, they will probably call with any open ender draws.

Of course, this is given my experience and I don't give much credit most live players.

pokerJAH

still think it is best to build the pot with a made hand; if they are betting/calling w air, your not going to make much anyway if you bet the turn/river. If they have decent hands, might as well start building the pot on the flop. If they fold, so be it. I think common mistakes are calling with a good hand and raising when you are on a weak draw.

JH1

Don't hate a flat here since it's rainbow. Would still be raising a good portion of the time depending on your image, most likely still 60:40 in favor of raising. Probably more like 90:10 for raising if this was 2 tone.

I wouldn't expect people to fold AT+ or JT and that should make up a decent amount of UTG+2 range along with sets. Any impression of him yet? Barreling tendencies -- also keep in mind he's going to rarely barrel an Ace high board out of position without an Ace himself on the turn after getting 2 callers unless he's crazy. The fact that he even cbet this into 2 people out of position makes me already lean towards AT+ if he's at all competent.

djgolfcan

More info about the players in the hand. UTG+2 has shown to be a not so good players, loose, passive, always calling, never raising, usually with the worst hand. Cut-off, very loose and willing to chase the slimmest of draws.

On the button with Ks-Qd - everyone has over $200 at the table

UTG +2 - raise to $10
Cut off - calls
Button (hero) - calls

Flop - Ah-Jc-Ts
UTG +1 bets $25
Cut off calls $25
Hero: I just call for $25 - Pot is now $105 and each of us has $150+ behind

Turn is Js - Board now reads Ah-Jc-Ts-Js

UTG+2 - checks
Cut off - checks
Hero: ?? - What do I do now ?

syphilaids

Wow.
You HAVE to raise then. Checking is slightly better then folding. If UTG is allways calling never raising and all of a sudden he's betting at you, pop it up. He usually has something here and may go all-in, or his call will intice cut-off to call.
Cut-off chases any draw, so raise. He's drawing to either a chop or runner runner flush draw. If he's usually calling here you gotta raise to get more money in the pot.

As played, I bet/fold this turn. You're either way ahead or way behind, and no-one has shown any real strength yet. You can make a nice suck-bet here like $40. You might get action from dumb players here. If you run into big action I think it's a fold.

Re-evaluate the river but if you get a few more checks i probably ship here.

pokerJAH

bet $50 and see what kind of action you get; I'm not afraid of monsters under the bed. If you get a push, then you know where you stand. Don't see a slow played boat here. This is why you need to raise on the flop.