Chuckieland

I recently learn that
if you have 2+ donkies sit at the table.
you should Not
3bet preflop as much as you use to.
raise or limp in with anytwo card when donk enter the pot.

3bet AK or QQ
with AK flop come XXX , cbet got call, no help on turn, it's check/fold or push allin time.
most of time, i have to check fold it. % of donky fold....not enough to make profit on push.
3bet QQ flop A or K XX....same story
it endup costing alot of money
of course, when i get help "one-time", i get nice payout.

what do you guys think.
should i adjust my game when i'm in a table full of donkies?
specially live 1/2 NL

Wetts1012

Cant say I agree with this theory.

Why not 3-bet heavy with stronger hands against admittedly weaker ranges?

pkrfce9

ok, so what do you do at fallsview, aka 'the big stable'?

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Chuckieland

is that question for me or for post above?

i think the theory behind this, is avoid turning your hand into a bluff and lose a big pot.
and take the donkies to value town when you limp in cheap, and +EV.
say 1/2NL live
Donky that call a raise, will call your 3bet (they just don't understand what 3bet mean)
say. flop is rag
are you going to cbet it?
if i make 3bet with AK, and miss the flop. i'll cbet it 1/3 of the time.
if you got 1+ caller, turn is blank.
Donky can caught a pair or small PP or two over card
what do you do?

QQ on BB
you 3bet it. got 3+ caller
flop come XX A or XX K
what do you do?
you make a cbet. got at least 1 caller
which is capable to call you with bottom pair, but AXs or KXs is well into donk's range.
what do you do?

regardless, it's expensive and highly variance when donky will determine to see the flop, and if there is any draws, pair, two over, they'll call to the end.
why not just limp or call to see flop, and take them to value town.
*Live situation not online.

Bumbaclat

because valuetown resides in the suckout district. Limping with premium hands will just lead to next months post "How Do These Donkeys Keep Sucking Out On Me"

Pantsonfire

Think of it this way. When you raise or 3bet and get multiple callers, what is the net effect? Well, the net effect is the the stakes of the game are higher and the effective stacks are shorter.

For example, say you all had 100BBs. Raise to 3x then you re-raise to 10x and get 3 callers and now there's a flop. Okay, you say you are in a 1/2 NL game. Well with 4 players seeing the flop for 10x, you could consider this a 10/20 game where there are 4 limpers and the stacks behind are $180 or 9BBs.

In the type of game you are in where you get multiple callers of 3bets, you are effectively playing a higher stakes game with short stacks (for some of the hands). So keep that in mind when you are 3betting. Sounds pretty good for high card hands and high pairs and not so much for speculative hands like Axs, low pp or suited connectors.

Keep the pot small when you a small hand and build the pot when you have a big hand. These are the ideal oppenents for playing this strategy. You don't need to be deceptive or random. Just play ABC, check when no good, bet when good and pay attention to any of them that might catch on, if at all.

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ReefAquarium

You need to evaluate your players.

For example,

In a tough game players can fold AQo to a 3 bet... In Donkland they don't.

In a tough game players can fold to a preflop raiser who c-bets ... In Donkland ... they don't.

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