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Old May 09,2011, 09:16 PM   #1
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25 nl skill check

6max.....should i be able to beat this or is the competition decent at this level. cause ive been sorta studyin it expecting to just go steadily up but really im getting slaughtered...maybe.....i feel like i can do better than even in midstakes mtts but toss money at 6 max


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I think you have to define what you consider beating nl25?

Are you looking at a specific win rate or profit?

Are you adequately rolled?

What books/videos have you been watching?

How have you been losing? Post some hands and let's take a look.
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Old May 10,2011, 07:58 AM   #3
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I think you have to define what you consider beating nl25?
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Are you looking at a specific win rate or profit?
yes profit would be nice

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Are you adequately rolled?
yes i have many reloads available.....
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What books/videos have you been watching?
pretty much all of them, i will get through aejones diary soon and some of improvas videos....read baluga whales book many times etc. but i wonder if its over the 25l level. they all say they will help you beat 100nl but i wonder if the competition is stiffer at 25nl than it was a couple years ago...


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How have you been losing? Post some hands and let's take a look.
not sure what hands to post is the thing. i might take another go at it, dig in a little since i read alot but hadn't played it much before i did my studies on it....maybe have to re read now that i have more experience at it......

appreciate the help would be nice to find some overall concepts im screwin up.....
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just play tournaments. thats where all the dead money is.
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just play tournaments. thats where all the dead money is.
AGREED, cash games are for suckers. play PLO if your gonna play cash games :P
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ah good ol blackmagicz.....



yes profit would be nice


yes i have many reloads available.....

pretty much all of them, i will get through aejones diary soon and some of improvas videos....read baluga whales book many times etc. but i wonder if its over the 25l level. they all say they will help you beat 100nl but i wonder if the competition is stiffer at 25nl than it was a couple years ago...


not sure what hands to post is the thing. i might take another go at it, dig in a little since i read alot but hadn't played it much before i did my studies on it....maybe have to re read now that i have more experience at it......

appreciate the help would be nice to find some overall concepts im screwin up.....
I like aejones and baluga's books.

They are both awesome.

But they are totally wrong for 25NL.
Way too advanced.

You're doing magic tricks to a dog. It wastes time and annoys the dog.

aejones is for nose bleed stakes.

To beat the micros you don't need to worry about balancing your range or playing unexploitably.

Are you using a HUD?
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Old May 10,2011, 08:43 PM   #7
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I like aejones and baluga's books.

They are both awesome.

But they are totally wrong for 25NL.
Way too advanced.

You're doing magic tricks to a dog. It wastes time and annoys the dog.

aejones is for nose bleed stakes.

To beat the micros you don't need to worry about balancing your range or playing unexploitably.

Are you using a HUD?
ya thats what i thought but im not being too complex i think, just never gaining, i feel like i must out class the low limit players but im not winning the monies. i may be over thinking it but i feel like i lose more if i play stupider. i have a few more learning tricks up my sleeve and then ill be stuck. maybe i need to move up to nosebleeds then....

and yes im using a hud but honestly i haven't zoned in on the standards for each stat like i know tourney play...
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just play tournaments. thats where all the dead money is.
wait a minute...your not just saying that cause your a tourney player.....
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AGREED, cash games are for suckers. play PLO if your gonna play cash games :P
i prefer REAL poker ....
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wait a minute...your not just saying that cause your a tourney player.....
Partly. I just dont think random fish deposit online to grind cash games. I think they deposit to bink a big/med score.

Im likely wrong tho.
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Old May 10,2011, 10:47 PM   #11
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Im likely wrong tho.
partly....because aejones would likely have a huge winrate at 25nl over a large sample, uh i assume right or whomever ever. and also how can i beat 50 nl if i can't beat 25nl.....but lastly how can i win mtts if i can't beat micro stakes poker......

was trying to post our allin pre with j8s and 44 or something playin cash but i messed up my pt3 trying to do it....
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One thing that I see good players do against donkeys is to try to bully them off hands. This spews money to the donkeys. Often you see good players 3 barrel a donkey who won't fold his 3rd pair.
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One thing that I see good players do against donkeys is to try to bully them off hands. This spews money to the donkeys. Often you see good players 3 barrel a donkey who won't fold his 3rd pair.

thats why you keep waiting until you get a set....they pay you off constantly!!
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One thing that I see good players do against donkeys is to try to bully them off hands. This spews money to the donkeys. Often you see good players 3 barrel a donkey who won't fold his 3rd pair.
Those are good players? Our definitions must be different...
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yes profit would be nice


yes i have many reloads available.....

pretty much all of them, i will get through aejones diary soon and some of improvas videos....read baluga whales book many times etc. but i wonder if its over the 25l level. they all say they will help you beat 100nl but i wonder if the competition is stiffer at 25nl than it was a couple years ago...


not sure what hands to post is the thing. i might take another go at it, dig in a little since i read alot but hadn't played it much before i did my studies on it....maybe have to re read now that i have more experience at it......

appreciate the help would be nice to find some overall concepts im screwin up.....
A simple TAG strategy should be sufficient then playing NL25 to profit. Play a lot of position and make sure you are able to release hands when you get resistance. A lot of the players at NL25 play an ABC poker game with a bit of a mix, I find if you bet your hand accordingly and don't call a lot of re-raises on the river chances are you will have a decent win rate at this level. Post some hand histories where you thought you made some errors and we can see where your leaks are.....


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just play tournaments. thats where all the dead money is.
Very true as well, playing the 11-27 dollar tournies on Stars etc, you may find yourself binking a nice score, even the SNGs can be profitable.

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AGREED, cash games are for suckers. play PLO if your gonna play cash games :P
PLO ROCKS....I suggest PLO to help with hand reading and understanding betting, I found after playing PLO for the last 6 months hold em is a cake walk. Also anything under 1/2 PLO is pretty straight forward and extremely easy. Just brush up on a couple of PLO concepts.


Once again play within your limit and the avg player should be able to beat NL100 and under with enough info.
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