ok, let's walk through this one... one street at a time.
same loose aggressive game with the crazy asians. added to the mix is a shortstacker who just sat down in the last half hour or so and has bought in for 100 a couple of times.
i'm in the SB with around 1300. i have the table covered although a couple are around 1000.
guy i stacked with the 22 limps (see other post) UTG with about 600 behind, short-stacker pushes for 50 (he's done this a few times now with absolute garbage, hence the re-buys), both of the crazy asians call, one with 400 behind the other around 800. i look down at 55. i'm a bit pissed at the short stacker because of the way it impacts the game and want to bust him. i wouldn't mind getting some chips back from the crazy asians and the limping donk will probably pay off if i hit and he gets a piece. if i call, i expect him to call.
fold/call/re-raise? not sure a re-raise (short of a stupid push) will thin the field much and not sure i have implied odds for the call.
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in general I want 20x my call effective stacks to set mine, BUT 3 way (+ 1 all in) you want to ensure you make at least 8x your money if you hit, which you almost certainly will here given that you have $150 in the pot already...so easy call IMO.
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it was a lot more than 'normal' to call with a small pair but the potential rewards were large so i decided to call. donk limper calls, too.
flop comes 854 (sound familiar?) with 2 clubs. i check to the donk limper and he leads out for 75 into a 250 pot. asians fold (wtf?).
i'm feeling huge here but what kind of hand can i put him on? what hand do you limp with from EP, call a large raise (with huge implied odds i suppose) then lead out weakly? i was kinda thinking some kind of PP. i couldn't put him on 99+, as i think he would be more likely to have raised originally PF or re-raised to isolate the short stacker with all that dead money. so that brings me to 88 or lower. i suppose i could see the move with 66 or 77, giving him a gutshot. (76 is possible i suppose, more likely sooooooooooted. but it is a horrid call OOP. what else is new? but i'm thinking the guy tightened up a bit since i stacked him.)
the more i thought about it, the more i convinced myself he either has 88 or 44, with a small possibility for 77 or 66 or some kind of overpair. i had a real mental block at seeing any other hand there that made sense. do donks have to make sense? funny thing, as i pondered he figured i had some kind of hand and asked if i had 44 (alluding to the hand where i hit the quad deuces against him). he seemed so confident when he said this. this skewed me even more to thinking he could have 88, with smaller possibility of 44.
how ****ed up is my thinking here? any thoughts on how to procede?
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with 1/8 chance to hit your trips, and all the chips behind the players in the hand, you will likely get the implied odds you need to call. Small pocket pairs are always hard to play with a big pre-flop raise. If you don't hit, you are typically folding on the flop. Although with three players already in the hand, the player left to decide will likely call. Hope he doesn't raise, then you have a decision to make.
btw, some great posts today. Your on fire! The only post missing is the story involving the hot asian chick
The only post missing is the story involving the hot asian chick
you are going to have to wait for my book for that one. or maybe a pm...
back to our story
i decided i was either hugely ahead or way behind on this. mainly due to the limp,big call PF and the fact he would bet into 2 live players on the flop. my previous 854 hand (the one i got blown out of with 54 against the same crazy asian) was also playing in my head. also, i thought any raise here, given the pot size would pretty much put him all-in and if he is playing a weak hand, he won't call given our previous history (me busting him badly). so i thought i'd just call here and see what happened on the turn. there should be about 400 in the pot now.
if you want to say i played this poorly, i have to agree. i'm very good at minimizing my losses and not so good at maximizing the gains. definitely an area i'm working on. hence the post. against a guy who has previously shown very poor play i gave him way too much credit for a potentially good hand along with the ability to lay down a marginal hand here.
turn comes 4s. 8544 on the board with 2 clubs and 2 spades. again he mentions the fact that if i'm playing 44 he is in big trouble. the 2 main hands i put him on are killing me now. agreed 44 is even less likely at this point but he is exuding confidence. he's got 350-400 left. weak lead/jam/CR/CF?
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again he mentions the fact that if i'm playing 44 he is in big trouble.
My spidey senses interprets that as a sign of weakness. I would CR him. If the third nuts is not good enough at Fallsview, then I will try to angle-shoot in as many ways as possible so that your losing hand will end up with the pot. When you have won the $1,200 pot, you do your Booyashaka dance around the "crazy asian guys" and "hot asian chick", then shout, "Ship it, Bitches!"
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I guess he's got A8s or 76s...either way, 8 is a terrible river for you. You either lost, or your action is dead. You have to throw out a blocking bet, maybe $100. If he goes over the top, you're done. You might get a "what the hell" call from a 4. Otherwise, he's probably folding the straight or flush. You can't check two streets in a row. What happened?
Great series of posts lately, btw. Please continue. More like the old days, before Sharf left. Way to much "You suck." "No, you suck bigger." "Well F U" lately.
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Great series of posts lately, btw. Please continue. More like the old days, before Sharf left. Way to much "You suck." "No, you suck bigger." "Well F U" lately.
Very, very well said.... Welcome back Mathers.... and any other mature adults still around..
Also you called to hit a set against dummies: you did. Quit over-thinking, if you aren't going to blindly shove there (flop) you're back to needing 20x stacks and should have folded preflop.
Edit: It really has been a great series of posts Greg, thanks for taking the time!
To the "the way it used to be" whiners...you suck!
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When you have won the $1,200 pot, you do your Booyashaka dance around the "crazy asian guys" and "hot asian chick", then shout, "Ship it, Bitches!"
