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Old May 14,2008, 08:40 AM   #16
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Also you called to hit a set against dummies: you did. Quit over-thinking, if you aren't going to blindly shove there (flop) you're back to needing 20x stacks and should have folded preflop.
did i mention i played this poorly? ya i should've folded, a couple times here...

on the river, i considered my options.

if i bet, he is raising with: 7c6c, any 8, possibly any 4, very unlikely to get a bluff raise from him calling with: any 4, any PP>44, A high (knowing him), likely 76 and prob folding everything else. if he raises, i'm beat a good 75% of the time and should likely fold.

if i check, he's betting: any 8, any 4, maybe any 2 clubs, 76, any PP>55 and a lot of other hands since i have shown weakness here. i beat all but 3 hands (any 8 being one hand lol).

i figured the odds were better to check, let him bet and i could put in a bit of a value raise which he is only calling with an 8 or a 4. but no, i check, he shows 7c2c for just about the weakest flush he could have here. nh buddy.

i made a bunch of mistakes with this hand.

pre-flop i think the call was marginal. without a big flop, i'm tossing my hand away OOP against the lags even though it could well be the best hand.

on the flop, i was focussed on making money back from the crazy asians. when the donk bet it, i assumed he made a rational play. why lead into the asians when you know they will bet their garbage? i figured he expected a raise to be coming his way. i put him on a big hand looking to mix it up with the lags. i missed the clue that his weak bet was a blocking bet, so he could try to draw out with his crap flush.

he was about 33% to win on the flop. knowing the cards, i expect he would have called any reasonable raise here and he had position on me. i strongly doubt he calling a shove here. likely something around 100 more (which may have been enough to commit him to the hand.)

the turn would have been a good spot to get a lot of chips in but i totally misread his hand. since he lead the flop, i expected him to bet again where i could put in a decent raise. when he checked, i missed my chance to get much value out of the hand.

on the river, i don't think i can get value here. i asked him later if he would have called anything in the neighbourhood of 100 on the river and he said 'definitely not'. ah well.
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Old May 14,2008, 08:58 AM   #17
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The idea of the smaller amount for a flop check-raise seems a bit too overt to me..

I probably lead out on that flop since we're fortunate to have the two 'crazy asians' with us. But if you're going to c/r I'd choose an amount that doesn't scream "hahaha...thanks for the c-bet sucka!!!"
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Old May 14,2008, 10:28 AM   #18
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I probably lead out on that flop since we're fortunate to have the two 'crazy asians' with us. But if you're going to c/r I'd choose an amount that doesn't scream "hahaha...thanks for the c-bet sucka!!!"
the crazy asians really liked to bet at pots if they felt no one caught a piece. my thinking was to CR one of THEM but the donk put a wrench in the works. when it came back to me, i didn't spend enough time to consider how to play HIM.

thinking more about this, since there was already someone all-in, i doubt either of those crazy asians would bluff at a dry sidepot unless they had a good chance to outdraw the short stacker.

i missed the boat on this one, hence the post. thanks for the feedback.
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Old May 14,2008, 11:11 AM   #20
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my thinking was to CR one of THEM but the donk put a wrench in the works.
that's even worse..what do you figure they are leading out to in a 250 pot? How are you getting like 250 more minimum into this pot

...and they obv fold junk when you c/r (esp you who will have a solid/tight image) but with that image a 'testing the waters' type bet 1/4-1/3 gets stomped on by a lot of marginal crap they could be holding...since they know you can and very often will fold.

edit: (I think it is obv by now that the actual play was to fold pf, but let's assume that you get that far)

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thinking more about this, since there was already someone all-in, i doubt either of those crazy asians would bluff at a dry sidepot unless they had a good chance to outdraw the short stacker.
When I was reading through this I was thinking that a club draw would be unlikely since he bet into a dry sidepot and would have to let his cards carry him for the main pot if everybody folded. It turns out that once again I've given a villain too much credit for thinking.
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