AcidJoe

OK live 1/2NL playing at times more like a 2/5NL game with the average raise being 20 to 25. Usually 5 to 7 seeing a flop, if the table limps the whole table sees the flop but sometimes one of the blinds will pop it to 20 to 25 to limit the action a bit if that happens.

You have two red aces in MP. Action is limp limp raise to $15 from an aggressive player who has been not being involved much. Next player calls the $15 you pop it to $55 with AA. Original raiser calls and the two of you see the flop.

Flop comes J J 10 rainbow. Original player checks you bet $65 leaving you with $150 behind. Original raiser re-raise to $250. What is your move here?

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DrTyore

$150 to call into a $410ish pot?

I call all day and curse him for playing KJo out of position to a re-raise... but I'm hopin he has Q's or something and thinks you whiffed with AK

mark

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m_dolens

blinds ($3) + two limpers ($4) + raiser ($15) + call ($15) + hero reraises ($55) + original raiser calls ($40) + hero flop bet ($65) = $197 in the pot. then hero gets check/raised to $250. therefore $447 in the pot and hero has to call $185 (i.e. all in since he's only got $150 left).

i don't think i can fold my aces here. he might have c/r after flopping trip jacks (or got crazy lucky with his pocket 10s), but any other hand you've got him beat, and you're getting good pot odds to call. i personally think he's got a pocket pair and he's just trying to throw you off the hand. in any case, i think i'd call here.

Redington

The way this played you have to play it out, the weak bet post flop leaves the door open to a c/r from a good player who would read that as weakness.

So the OR called OOP, what is your image? what is his range?

How tight is he? This is a situation that is read dependent -
typically you would think AA-KK would reraise preflop
QQ - would flat call, as would JJ-99(maybe)
AK is reasonable as well, AQ and AJ again how bad is the player?

So lets run through it...

AA-KK probably not as no reraise PF
QQ- very likely, post PF and post flop
JJ - would only reraise you AI if they were a keen shark knowing you had AA-KK because your likely to call....but likely given your bet you can get away from the pot easily so I lean against him not holding JJ
TT - somewhat same scenerio as above so not likely
<99 somewhat plausible from preflop, less likely postflop


AK, AQ, AJ - all likely, although a large portion of players will reraise with AK oop but still likely, post flop again the weak bet post flop leads to making a move here hoping you fold

89s it doesnt seem like his range would include opening PF but post flop it would add up.

SO really likely

QQ - AK AND 99
Somewhat likely AJ

your ahead of all of these except one, so I think you go broke here with AA if he has AJ but double up against any other holdings

The caveat being is if he is a really good he would put you on Aces and hope to stack you with JJ-TT with this awesome play

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So were you expecting to fold to any aggression post flop? Why the half pot bet?

I would narrow your hand down a bit more here and go 3/4 to full pot and may think about folding to anything beyond that.

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AcidJoe

Thanks for your input guys. I was not the hero that was described here but the villian in this hand. I actually thought he had AK that's why the weak post flop bet and check raised him with QQ. I also misread the amount of chips he had in front (I thought he was about equal with me) and possibly would fold a better hand here. He went into the tank for about 5 minutes before calling. Once they matched up the stacks I knew he had to call and was still surprised it took him that long to call.

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pokerJAH

reminds me of a hand two weeks ago; I had the AA and the other guy called pre-flop raise to $28 with 810off (1/2) after he raised to $8. Of course the flop comes 88 and I lose a bunch of chips.

JohnnieH

Well he couldn't leave his babies out there....

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Chuckieland

i think will AA you rather bet all your chip then call off all your chip.......
but here is the question.
facing 3bet
if you are gonna push the flop. why don't you just push preflop?
if i'm playing this. i would ask if i am playing my QQ for set value, or would i push to rag flop?
if i would push on the rag flop, i just prefer to push preflop.
for set value, i definely fold without Q ont he flop.
if i think they have AK, AQ or AJ. i push it preflop. if i think they have AA or KK, i will call that for set value only.
nothing like losing 150BB with just a pair Q

AcidJoe

I didn't push in preflop because I wanted to see what the flop brings. If there was an A or K i get out. That flop was scary and I thought the check raise might get him out. Again, part of it was my fault since I didn't have a full line of sight on his chips and I thought he had more. When he started agonizing I knew he didn't have AK.

If he had bet more on the flop like 3/4 to pot size I would have folded there too. If he had checked I would have bet on the turn provided no A or K then comes. I don't generally push QQ preflop in a cash game. If it was a tourney that becomes a different animal.

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