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Apr 07,2008, 07:43 AM
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#1 | | Cash games are evil!
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| Am I a pussy? Bottom end of a straight
Hand from Friday night. Not sure if I was a pussy on this hand but I kind of feel I could have been a bit more aggressive.
BB special (K6 off). Five players see a flop of 7910 with two spades. I check on the flop and a player bets $10 into a $10 pot. Everyone folds and I decide to call. The turn brings the 8d giving me the bottom end of the straight. I bet $20 and the other player min raises to $40. What do you do in this situation? Can you get off the hand on the basis that you have the low end of the straight and he likely has a jack? What do you do in these situations when you have the bottom end of a straight? Do you bet the river or check?
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Apr 07,2008, 07:55 AM
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#2 | | Official Poker***** Troll
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fold flop.
fold turn.
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Apr 07,2008, 08:07 AM
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#3 | | Full PFC Member |
Was this a ring game or tournament?
I probably wouldn't have called the flop, but if I did, with that board and a min raise, I'm getting away from it unless the other player is aggressive in which case I'd just call, check the river and try to show the hand down cheaply.
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Apr 07,2008, 08:35 AM
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#4 | | Tilting for 5 years!! | Quote:
Originally Posted by MarcoGD  Was this a ring game or tournament?
I probably wouldn't have called the flop, but if I did, with that board and a min raise, I'm getting away from it unless the other player is aggressive in which case I'd just call, check the river and try to show the hand down cheaply. | Not seeing the flop would have been wrong, considering he was the big blind. Otherwise though, with a bet on the flop, don't think I would have called it. Now on the turn with OESD, I'm still not sure I want to chase it down. Foldsies.
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Apr 07,2008, 08:46 AM
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Considering there was not a single turn card possible that would make you happy, I think you know where your oops was. His play looks like JT, drawing to a split. fold.
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Apr 07,2008, 09:15 AM
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#6 | | Full PFC Member | Quote:
Originally Posted by STR82ACE Not seeing the flop would have been wrong | I meant see the flop (obviously not going to fold it's free) but fold to the bet on the flop.
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Apr 07,2008, 09:19 AM
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#7 | | SHIP IT, BITCHES!
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come on, jimmy. you've told us almost none of the details required to do any kind of analysis!
but fold the flop if he can spell NL... or jam it if he has 2pr and can't... or smooth call if he is bluffing...
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Apr 07,2008, 09:27 AM
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#8 | | Cash games are evil!
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When I called on the flop, I thought my hand would be good if I hit my straight due to implied odds as he had a healthy stack and I figured I might be able to double through him. When I raised on the turn, I was not expecting a re-raise. On the flop, I didn't really think he would be raising with the made straight or chasing an open ended straight. The re-raise on the turn got me thinking, should I even be chasing the bottom end of a straight in a cash game or is this a disaster in the making?
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Apr 07,2008, 09:59 AM
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#9 | | SHIP IT, BITCHES!
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once again, no details. chasing against whom? in position or OOP?
in general, chasing a gutshot with 1 card to make the bottom straight is pretty friggin horrendous. at least the guy will never put you on it when you hit!
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Apr 07,2008, 10:07 AM
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#10 | | Local Celebrity |
Even worse is the flush board. Does your thought process change if the turn is the 8s rather than the 8d?
If your plan was to represent if the board flushed it can (almost) be justified.
Playing for implied on the gutshot on this hand is spew. You are not stacking him with a 4 str8 board.
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Apr 07,2008, 11:02 AM
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#11 | | CPF non-dirty whore
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Originally Posted by pokerJAH Hand from Friday night. Not sure if I was a pussy on this hand but I kind of feel I could have been a bit more aggressive.
BB special (K6 off). Five players see a flop of 7910 with two spades. I check on the flop and a player bets $10 into a $10 pot. Everyone folds and I decide to call. The turn brings the 8d giving me the bottom end of the straight. I bet $20 and the other player min raises to $40. What do you do in this situation? Can you get off the hand on the basis that you have the low end of the straight and he likely has a jack? What do you do in these situations when you have the bottom end of a straight? Do you bet the river or check? | You definitely weren't a pussy on the flop. An idiot, maybe. LOL @ "I decide to call". Maybe provide some reasoning behind that next time, such as "this guy folds to check-raises" and you're just floating him.
If for some reason I saw the turn in this hand, I would check-call. Leading out is just asking to be raised and you really don't know where you're at. Also, you want to keep the pot small.
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Apr 07,2008, 11:12 AM
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#12 | | Degen in training
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Originally Posted by pokerJAH Hand from Friday night. Not sure if I was a pussy on this hand but I kind of feel I could have been a bit more aggressive.
BB special (K6 off). Five players see a flop of 7910 with two spades. I check on the flop and a player bets $10 into a $10 pot. Everyone folds and I decide to call. The turn brings the 8d giving me the bottom end of the straight. I bet $20 and the other player min raises to $40. What do you do in this situation? Can you get off the hand on the basis that you have the low end of the straight and he likely has a jack? What do you do in these situations when you have the bottom end of a straight? Do you bet the river or check? | Where was this game, and how do I get a seat?
This is so bad I can't even convert my thoughts into words. Just brutal.
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Apr 07,2008, 11:15 AM
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#13 | | PFC Asshole and Commander
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Originally Posted by Pinhead Where was this game, and how do I get a seat?
This is so bad I can't even convert my thoughts into words. Just brutal. | I would guess Georgetown.
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Apr 07,2008, 12:02 PM
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#14 | | Cash games are evil!
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Originally Posted by Pinhead Where was this game, and how do I get a seat?
This is so bad I can't even convert my thoughts into words. Just brutal. | Well unlike a lot of forum members who only choose to post their fabulous wins and perfectly played hands, I prefer to try and learn from my mistakes. Granted, calling the raise was very questionable, and I know that, but that's not the point of this thread.
If my logic was flawed, please explain why. This guy was in middle position, LAG and chased a lot of hands down. He usually came out betting when he had a decent hand (did not bluff much).
You are correct, it would be difficult for me to double up with a 4 str8 board. I guess I also thought that he might be bluffing so a bet on the turn might also take down the pot. Hitting my gut shot was only a bonus until he came out with the raise.
The river brought the 3s and I checked with the possible flush on board and not really knowing where I stood with the bottom end of the straight. If he bet on the river, I was done with the hand. He checked as well.
btw, not Georgetown.
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Apr 07,2008, 12:08 PM
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#15 | | Cash games are evil!
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Originally Posted by Hobbes I would guess Georgetown. | Small club north of the city near York U.
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