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May 02,2008, 02:00 PM
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#1 | | Cash games are evil!
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| Can you fold AA pre-flop?
There once was a player named RINGO
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May 02,2008, 02:01 PM
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#2 | | Forum Troll - Admin Style |
Here we go again...
*grabs popcorn and gets ready for a show*
Oh right..the answer to the post. I am NEVER, EVER, folding AA preflop in a non-satellite situation
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May 02,2008, 02:14 PM
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#3 | | Local Celebrity | Quote:
Originally Posted by pokerJAH  Against 9 random hands, I am likely dominated |
More details on this please.
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May 02,2008, 02:18 PM
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#4 | | It's phonetic! |
A: You are not dominated. It is not possible (barring jokers in the deck). The definition of dominated is a hand that is significantly better than yours. You have the best possible hand pre-flop. You are not dominated.
B: You don't need pot odds - see above.
C: Money is won at all stages of a poker game, pre-flop, flop, turn, and river. You are losing money by folding.
D: Vanilla Ice
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May 02,2008, 02:33 PM
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#5 | | Full PFC Member
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Yes, I can fold AA pre-flop. Sometimes I take smoke breaks, and my hand gets mucked.
Forget details, stats, records of play - lets change it to another example. You have a bet on a dice roll. If the dice comes up 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5, player A wins and player B pays player A $1. If the dice comes up 6, player B wins and player A pays player B $10. Player B is "dominated" (as you put it), and will lose this bet 5 out of 6 times on average. Would you rather be player A or B? If player A, PM me and I'll meet you somewhere to play...
You can think what you want about where you make money, -EV decisions are still -EV.
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May 02,2008, 02:39 PM
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The only time I would fold in that situation is if I was $5 short on my bill payment, and decided that I would gamble to try and make that extra $5, and thus not going for robusto. Hell who am I kidding, all-in for me as well.
And please no more of these folding AA preflop threads. One shows up in every forum once a year, same answers, same handfull of guys who would fold....
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May 02,2008, 02:40 PM
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#7 | | Cash games are evil!
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And his style of play was BINGO
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May 02,2008, 02:45 PM
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#8 | | Wannabe a Xuan Liu!
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Sigh. I almost never say "never" in poker, but NEVER fold pocket aces pre-flop in a cash game. The reward of winning $900 obviously outweighs the risk of getting your AA cracked and losing only $100. Winning poker players choose the most profitable action - whether it is preflop or postflop. If calling has a higher average profit than folding, why would you fold??
Even in a tournament situation on the very first hand of the WSOP Main event, with nine other players going all-in before me, I would instantly call with AA. Instead of being scared of being the first one out of $10,000, my goal in poker is to maximize profit. You can't maximize profit by folding the best hand.
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May 02,2008, 02:46 PM
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#9 | | Tilting for 5 years!! |
If memory serves...and I'm not THAT old...last year' WSOP, and player ( I believe from Orangeville) claimed to have folded AA preflop nearing the bubble, JUST to ensure he would make the money.
Said it then, say it again...stupid move!
Trevor's example is a perfect lesson on the difference of + and - ev decisions. Folding AA, regardless of number of players in the hand, or position, or even how close to the bubble one is in a tournament, is just plain nuts. In your example Jim, you're the favourite, albeit a small one considering, but you're still the favourite to win $1000 for the price of $100.
If that isn't enough incentive to gamble, you can't be serious about your game.
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May 02,2008, 02:49 PM
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#10 | | Cash games are evil!
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When both cards are SUITED
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May 02,2008, 02:50 PM
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#11 | | Cash games are evil!
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He is calling thats UNDISPUTED
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May 02,2008, 02:53 PM
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#12 | | Cash games are evil!
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When he needs two for a STRAIGHT
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May 02,2008, 03:01 PM
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#13 | | Tilting for 5 years!! | Quote:
Originally Posted by pokerJAH I guess that's why poker is held at a casino. I guess there is an element of luck to the game after all. So much for being a game of skill. | No one said luck wasn't an element in this game, and if anyone ever did, they are being foolish. But there is no "skill" in folding AA preflop at all.
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May 02,2008, 03:10 PM
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#14 | | Cash games are evil!
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He will call and awaits his FATE
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May 02,2008, 03:11 PM
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#15 | | Official ***** Frenchy
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there's no real skill in calling an all-in if everyone else is already allin.... it's down to luck of the board especially if everyone has pocket pair from aa to 66 .. it can go wrong reaslly fast... especially if someone else has aces too ...
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