As played, looks like an easy call. If he had AA or QQ, you would have expected a 4-bet (push?) pre-flop based on your previous info/read. Outside of flopping top set of Kings, this is pretty much the result (both flop texture and shove from short-stack) that you were hoping for. Routine call. If you're beat (by 88 or 22), so be it. That's what you get for (essentially) min-reraising pre-flop.
As others have already stated, the (practically) min-raise pre-flop is horrible. Definitely raise the pot or more. You're trying to isolate the original raiser here, right? You don't want to invite a bunch of AX and suited-connector hands to come along and out-flop you. If villain #1 is TAG (although he sounds more like a LAG if you think his 4-bet range is that low), and might be strong enough to re-raise, then he's also strong enough to call a decent 3-bet.
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More seriously, you said you aren't used to playing 5/5 but are used to playing 2/5 -- short-stacked 5/5 is the same as a 2/5 game, no? Except maybe they rake the shit out of you a bit more.
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More seriously, you said you aren't used to playing 5/5 but are used to playing 2/5 -- short-stacked 5/5 is the same as a 2/5 game, no? Except maybe they rake the shit out of you a bit more.
don't get off track, focus on the original question posted. 160BB+ stacks are short stacked?
Not sure what this has to do with whether you make the call considering my stack has the raiser covered?
If I stick a cat in a microwave, will it actually explode?
don't get off track, focus on the original question posted. 160BB+ stacks are short stacked?
Not sure what this has to do with whether you make the call considering my stack has the raiser covered?
If I stick a cat in a microwave, will it actually explode?
Your definition of the open raiser as TAG is the opposite of your description of his playing tendencies.
The fact that you have him covered at 100bb makes this a fairly short-stack decision by live 5/5 standards. At least not deep by any definition.
I was merely asking why you perceive this as any different than a 2/5 game -- the extra $3 in the pot preflop is inconsequential and most 5/5 games play 200bb+ deep.
Your violent tendencies toward animals are concerning. Are you aware of numerous studies documenting a person's violent behaviours toward animals is a precursor to further sociopathic behaviours?
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Your definition of the open raiser as TAG is the opposite of your description of his playing tendencies.
The fact that you have him covered at 100bb makes this a fairly short-stack decision by live 5/5 standards. At least not deep by any definition.
I was merely asking why you perceive this as any different than a 2/5 game -- the extra $3 in the pot preflop is inconsequential and most 5/5 games play 200bb+ deep.
Your violent tendencies toward animals are concerning. Are you aware of numerous studies documenting a person's violent behaviours toward animals is a precursor to further sociopathic behaviours?
TAG is irrelevant to the hand in question as he folded.
I have played at many 5/5, even 5/10 games in the GTA, and if more than one person on average has a stack greater than 200BB it is extremely rare. I know of three 5/5 games happening as I type this message. I can guarantee that no one at any of these games has a stack in excess of $1k
I'm not violent towards animals, quite the opposite. Should I cite a couple of examples although these pertain to insects but you will catch my drift. On my morning walk to the GO train each day, I often come across snails on a rainy day that have wandered onto the sidewalk. As this walkway is often used by GO train passengers, and many snails get crushed, I will spend my time moving the snails back to the grass so they do not come to any harm. During the summer, my mother was in the hospital and one afternoon when I was visiting her, she had a ladybug infestation in her room. I spent about an hour of my time, moving each ladybug onto a sheet of paper and then releasing them out a small hole in the window screen. Obviously, I don't have violent tendencies towards animals. Maybe I realize that a vet may have a sensitivity to harming animals? Sounds plausible.
btw, is the microwave legend true? kristy, any videos on this topic?
I dont think sets ever play this way, And I dont want a multiway pot with AA pre in a cash game OOP so I think you get that transparency preflop.
So I discount QQ/88/22 for sure. AA is possible but less likely. There arent, or shouldnt be, and 2 pair hands out there.
ok, so this thread has taken a turn for the worse so this is what happened and my thought process in making the call. Wetts pretty much nailed it.
Based on the previous QQ hand, if V#2 had AA-JJ I would have expected a further re-raise pre-flop. With just a call, I likely put him on a pocket pair or AK, AQ, KQ. What really made me call this hand was the insta push. He didn't give it any thought, once the cards hit, the chips were in the middle asap. If he had a set, and two players raising/re-raising still to act, it would make no sense to push with a set and likely the best hand. Two pair made no sense as he seemed to be playing mainly face cards or pairs. He turned over KQ in the end.
TAG is irrelevant to the hand in question as he folded.
I have played at many 5/5, even 5/10 games in the GTA, and if more than one person on average has a stack greater than 200BB it is extremely rare. I know of three 5/5 games happening as I type this message. I can guarantee that no one at any of these games has a stack in excess of $1k
I'm not violent towards animals, quite the opposite. Should I cite a couple of examples although these pertain to insects but you will catch my drift. On my morning walk to the GO train each day, I often come across snails on a rainy day that have wandered onto the sidewalk. As this walkway is often used by GO train passengers, and many snails get crushed, I will spend my time moving the snails back to the grass so they do not come to any harm. During the summer, my mother was in the hospital and one afternoon when I was visiting her, she had a ladybug infestation in her room. I spent about an hour of my time, moving each ladybug onto a sheet of paper and then releasing them out a small hole in the window screen. Obviously, I don't have violent tendencies towards animals. Maybe I realize that a vet may have a sensitivity to harming animals? Sounds plausible.
btw, is the microwave legend true? kristy, any videos on this topic?
TAG is relevant as your read is incorrect and will effect other hands played with this player.
If no one plays deep in your 5/5 games how is it different from playing 2/5? This is a serious question, I do not understand the difference. In my experience 5/5 is a no cap or 200bb cap game and players typically buy-in for $600-$1000.
So your repeated statements focused on injuring or killing animals was to upset me? Zing!
I think any normal human would have a sensitivity toward harming animals irregardless of profession.
PS -- someone tell how the eff to multiquote
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PS -- someone tell how the eff to multiquote
Press the multiquote button for each post you want to quote, except for the last one. For that one press the quote button. All should then show up in your post.
If no one plays deep in your 5/5 games how is it different from playing 2/5? This is a serious question, I do not understand the difference. In my experience 5/5 is a no cap or 200bb cap game and players typically buy-in for $600-$1000.
Nobody buys in for more than 500 in these games, typically 300 range. I know it makes no sense (have discussed many times with blackmagicz), but this is the crowd at these clubs. And the clincher is they rebuy multiple times, sometimes $200 at a time.
I never mentioned harming animals; I would expect you need to put animals to sleep for medical purposes all the time, I never said to kill a healthy animal now did I.
LOL JAH if that was in Woodbridge that is a fist pump call, look for either some sort of weird draw or AQ max there.
PP like QQ or KK or AA are always re-raised in that club and sometimes you may see a re-raise shove with AQ or AK cause they want to race.
The only way I see a possible fold in this spot is if your villian is a smart player and can put you on a polarized range and knows for sure you have KK or AA when villian has a set of QQ....even then I still call and congratulate villian for making an excellent read.
Oh and TAG players in these clubs are tight but not necessarily good at hand reading opponents. They play basically their hand in relation to the board.....
LOL JAH if that was in Woodbridge that is a fist pump call, look for either some sort of weird draw or AQ max there.
No, it was at the club where they use square green $25 chips (like in Paris). Kind of a neat variation. Enough said as I know they don't like the publicity.
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