8 people left in a live tourney. Money is 4th. You have 11k with the blinds 400-800 with a 100 ante. It is folded to you in the small blind and you look down to see As4h. You raise to 3200. BB pushes for 5000 more. There is now 12400 in the pot. Can you fold? Should you? Assume no real experience with the BB.
Please rank according to this scale
a)I fold easily.
b)I think about for a while....but fold
c)I think about it for a while....I have to call
d)Insta-call
e)You can come and play at my game anytime.
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8 people left in a live tourney. Money is 4th. You have 11k with the blinds 400-800 with a 100 ante. It is folded to you in the small blind and you look down to see As4h. You raise to 3200. BB pushes for 5000 more. There is now 12400 in the pot. Can you fold? Should you? Assume no real experience with the BB.
Please rank according to this scale
a)I fold easily.
b)I think about for a while....but fold
c)I think about it for a while....I have to call
d)Insta-call
e)You can come and play at my game anytime.
Umm, why is there no reraise all in option? Aren't you pot committed with C and D?
raise-folding like 1/4 of our stack getting 2:1 seems atrocious since the only hand that has us totally crushed is aces but i know nothing about tournament poker so maybe its ok.
I don't know the stack sizes of the rest of the table but being in the sb and basically adding 2800 into the pot and getting re-raised I think I may fold. I am not basing my decision on math but my ability to play against 8 other live players.
In most cases a live player will only be re-raising with a better hand here 75% of the time. OP said he knows nothing about the BB so I believe its safe to say the BB knows nothing about OP. In that case BB would not be pushing light.
I also feel you can easily pick up blinds in the next hand or on the cut off therefore picking up about more than 50% of what you put in with this hand.
I also do not feel like shoving with A4 in this spot because most BB will be folding to a raise anyways unless they have a hand and will not be looking you up light at a final table when 4 get paid and 8 are left. In an online tournament this would be a totally different situation but having made numerous final tables in live games, no one is making a "move" in this spot.
Basically a raise is the same as a shove in this spot. You got the answer you wanted now fold and move on to the next hand.
Last edited by blackmagicz; Nov 07,2009 at 02:22 PM.
I want to know why there is 12400 in the pot first.
800 antes. 3200 bet including small blind. 3200 +5000 raise. Sorry it's 12000 total. so call 5000 into 12000 pot.
Basically this situation occured last wednesday and the small blind made the call and the bb flipped over KJo. A4 held up and thought the call shouldn't have been made.....I disagreed. BB has less than 10 bb and could be pushing with anything.....A4 is favoured against a random hand (in fact it's only behind about 15% of hands.)
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with 2000 in the pot you're M is just over 5. You have an A and only against 1 person. You need to win pots or you're going to be blinded out in 5 rounds if the blinds don't raise by then. Like you said, against 2 random cards you're ahead. And like everyone says, Just shove. Don't get yourself into a tough decision spot by betting 1/4-1/3 of your stack, getting raised and contemplate folding.
with 2000 in the pot you're M is just over 5. You have an A and only against 1 person. You need to win pots or you're going to be blinded out in 5 rounds if the blinds don't raise by then. Like you said, against 2 random cards you're ahead. And like everyone says, Just shove. Don't get yourself into a tough decision spot by betting 1/4-1/3 of your stack, getting raised and contemplate folding.
I know reading the thread is sometimes painful, but the point is not whether he should shove.....I can agree with that. The situation was already played out resulting in the decision to call. Is he getting the right odds to call/should he call. It's out of my hands that he didn't shove to begin with. Think of it from the perspective of a person trying to explain to their friend whether or not the call was the right one. "He should have just shoved.....but since he didn't he should have: a) called b)folded.
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I don't really get shoving first.. almost all the same stong hands call you..and you get none of the kjo type money. Bristol's structure moves too fast at that point to be really excited about just taking the 2k in blinds and antes.
(this is presuming a few things..like a: there aren't a bunch of REALLY short players, because this tournament is one in a series of three where you gather points by finishing deeper...and the points are VERY top-3-centric)
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