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    It's better to win a small pot than lose a big one.

    Ever heard that one before? Ever thought it about it and said "hey, thats some good advice. I hate losing big pots."

    Have you ever REALLY thought about what that means? "It's better to win a small pot than lose a big one" but, as we all know, it's better to win a big pot than a small pot.

    Whenever I hear someone utter this phrase, they usually pushed all-in on the flop for a massive overbet with a nut-like hand (off the top of my head... say.. oh.. two raggy pair against a LAG) and shut everyone out of the hand. They pat themselves on the back over the good job they did winning the small pot.

    Little do these people even realize the amount of money they leave on the table. They're scared, nay, FRIGHTENED to ever put their money in behind (pot odds or no). If there's a villan in the hand, regardless of how poor his draw is or how bad he plays post-flop, he must be immediately shut out.

    It's lunacy.

    Here's what I say. It's better to lose small pots and win big ones. When you get your monster hands, thinking about maximizing EV. Forget the bullshit about the pain and torture you will feel if you leave your game busted out when you got it all-in good. Extract the chips when you can. Sometimes, you just have to deal with the variance and ride it out. Villian made a horrible two pair on the river? Deal with it, it's poker. You played a big pot with a huge equity advantage. Good job!

    Anyway, god dammit stop being so results-oriented. Win big pots, they're worth more than the small ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBC Z View Post

    Whenever I hear someone utter this phrase, they usually pushed all-in on the flop for a massive overbet with a nut-like hand (off the top of my head... say.. oh.. two raggy pair against a LAG) and shut everyone out of the hand. They pat themselves on the back over the good job they did winning the small pot.
    Well said
    One more thing to touch on is that these players (cr rag flops with big hands) are extremely easy to play against. You will tend to get easy reads from them eg. cbet, fire turn hard (has a hand) or cbet, check turn (doesnt have a hand). And there is extreme cases they raise pre check flop turn and river (under pair of missed paint). I guess I'm just saying that its abc poker and easier to steel pots when they are weak and easier to get away from you top pair hands. Plain and simple they rarely trap unless they have the NUTS.
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    Say you're in a full ring cash game with full stacks. UTG raises 4x BB, 2 callers, and you're in the small blind with AA.

    Call?
    Raise?
    Push?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quimby View Post
    Say you're in a full ring cash game with full stacks. UTG raises 4x BB, 2 callers, and you're in the small blind with AA.

    Call?
    Raise?
    Push?
    If you're not going to raise this at least admit you need help!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quimby View Post
    Say you're in a full ring cash game with full stacks. UTG raises 4x BB, 2 callers, and you're in the small blind with AA.

    Call?
    Raise?
    Push?
    I think the reference is more in terms of post flop play when you have a made hand.

    This is a good observation. People tend to have a selective memory and remember the times they were burned with runner, runner cards when they were well ahead in the hand on the flop. As a result, if there is a decent pot already, the preference is to take it down now thereby avoiding another runner, runner 'memory' from occurring. I think this is common when a person has a decent starting pair AA-QQ, and they try to push everyone off the hand with a huge continuation bet on the flop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pokerJAH View Post
    People tend to have a selective memory and remember the times they were burned with runner, runner cards when they were well ahead in the hand on the flop. .
    Exactly

    There are times to play it fast, if you r 78s and get 3 bet and u peel. flop 783s I am cr allin, weak leading, anything i can do to get it in. Obviously this would be a different scenario than a limped pot, where I think BBC is correct to let your opponent build the pot. By the way I also think that people should be using the weak lead more often it looks SO MUCH like your chasing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBC Z View Post
    Ever heard that one before? Ever thought it about it and said "hey, thats some good advice. I hate losing big pots."

    Have you ever REALLY thought about what that means? "It's better to win a small pot than lose a big one" but, as we all know, it's better to win a big pot than a small pot.
    what the hell is the point of this thread? that winning a small pot is better than losing a big pot? that winning a big pot is better than winning a small pot? maybe i'm lost, but i'm under the impression that both of these full under the "no shit" category. who the hell is arguing the opposite? wait, don't answer that. i don't want to know.

    did you ever stop to consider that these phrases may be better used and understood in more specific terms and not the general way you are choosing to interpret them? oh yeah, this is BBC Z. i should know he doesn't consider anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m_dolens View Post
    what the hell is the point of this thread? that winning a small pot is better than losing a big pot? that winning a big pot is better than winning a small pot? maybe i'm lost, but i'm under the impression that both of these full under the "no shit" category. who the hell is arguing the opposite? wait, don't answer that. i don't want to know.

    did you ever stop to consider that these phrases may be better used and understood in more specific terms and not the general way you are choosing to interpret them? oh yeah, this is BBC Z. i should know he doesn't consider anything.
    To put it plain a simple for those having trouble - Don't push your opponents out of the pot with a made hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by m_dolens View Post
    what the hell is the point of this thread? that winning a small pot is better than losing a big pot? that winning a big pot is better than winning a small pot? maybe i'm lost, but i'm under the impression that both of these full under the "no shit" category. who the hell is arguing the opposite? wait, don't answer that. i don't want to know.
    Like wader says, it doesn't make sense to push your opponents out of the pot when you have a huge hand. Value value value!

    Quote Originally Posted by m_dolens View Post
    did you ever stop to consider that these phrases may be better used and understood in more specific terms and not the general way you are choosing to interpret them? oh yeah, this is BBC Z. i should know he doesn't consider anything.
    Did you ever stop to consider that this paragraph makes no sense? BBC Z is not using these phrases in a general way. And fuck you again for attacking BBC Z over what I can only guess is a personal vendetta.

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    And fuck you again for attacking BBC Z over what I can only guess is a personal vendetta.

    /g2
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    I think M_dolens just finally entered the no molly coddling big leagues..

    All the posts that he made both in the other thread and this one do make sense and have a place. (though that doesn't mean I necessarilly agree with him..I'm just always glad to have another intelligent interesting poster saying what he means!)

    For the OP I agree... I like asking friends who tend to overbet "Why do you hate money so much?"
    Last edited by Kristy; May 29,2008 at 07:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyHoldem View Post
    Man-love?
    I have no love for those who have no love for Canada. (still waiting for sarcasm confirmation)

    /g2

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    what the hell is the point of this thread?
    It's that those cute little one-liners that you hear people utter that may make sense when you don't think about them, turn out to be terrible in the long-run.

    That and I think that people are overly scared of being drawn out on and that forces them to make mistakes.
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    what the hell is the point of this thread?
    I thought this thread was about man-love?!
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