It's better to win a small pot than lose a big one.

m_dolens · May 30,2008, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BBC Z

It's that those cute little one-liners that you hear people utter that may make sense when you don't think about them, turn out to be terrible in the long-run.

That and I think that people are overly scared of being drawn out on and that forces them to make mistakes.

okay, i get your point then. it is very true that there are players out there that are scared to be drawn out on and therefore play too aggressively. as a result they "lose" the chance to gain the most chips possible. i am also willing to concede that some of these players may have these feelings as a result of one-liners like you have suggested.

that being said, do i think that many of them are a result of one-liners (enough to warrant a thread to the topic)? no i don't. i am extremely realistic (some would say pessimistic) about people in general, and even i would not argue that there are that many people who are influenced to a negative degree by one-liners such as the example you suggest. thems peoples must be damn stoopids to let one line alter them's attitude and approach to poker.

(yes, i am saying that i don't think that there are that many dumb poker players who would be that influenced by one-liners...wow, possibly the first time ever that i've defended the lack of general stupidity of people. while i'm writing this i'm already doubting myself.)

m_dolens · May 30,2008, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by g2

Did you ever stop to consider that this paragraph makes no sense? BBC Z is not using these phrases in a general way. And fuck you again for attacking BBC Z over what I can only guess is a personal vendetta.

/g2

1) i was being sarcastic and i have "updated" my opinion in the canada reference thread (hopefully to your liking)

2) i felt obligated to point out that your post (see above) is accusing me of attacking due to a personal vendetta, and yet you are attacking me in response to a personal vendetta (i.e. the canada reference).

ironic? quite. humorous for me? very.

3) i do not "attack" BBC Z because i think he's a fucking asshole (i.e. because i have a personal vendetta). i "attack" his argument points because they often don't make sense and focus more on arrogance and lack of dialogue than almost all the other posts in this forum. if you made comments similar to his (again, see your comment above), then you will also get "attacked" by me (see the post you are currently reading - possible again if you missed it the first time).

take care

EDIT: and this thread has become about serious hot man-love. don't try to deny it.

ElElliott · May 30,2008, 10:57 AM

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that being said, do i think that many of them are a result of one-liners (enough to warrant a thread to the topic)? no i don't. i am extremely realistic (some would say pessimistic) about people in general, and even i would not argue that there are that many people who are influenced to a negative degree by one-liners such as the example you suggest.

I think you overestimate your opponents.

I've heard people say "well, I'm pot committed" (when they clearly aren't), or call due to "pot odds" which actually aren't there.

A big percentage of people you play against learn their poker strategy from watching WPT reruns on CityTV, and they don't understand the phrases they are using that ultimately guide decisions that they make.

I think it's good for BBC to challenge our thinking. There's no one perfect way to play poker....every once in a while we need to step out of group-think.

m_dolens · May 30,2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by El

I think it's good for BBC to challenge our thinking. There's no one perfect way to play poker....every once in a while we need to step out of group-think.

challenge our thinking? that's what is going on here?

BBC Z · May 30,2008, 11:08 AM

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challenge our thinking? that's what is going on here?

Seriously dude, just go away. Put me on ignore so everyone doesn't have to deal with you and you don't clutter my threads with your irrelevance. You already understand the points I'm making? Thats a good thing, not everyone who reads this forum does though.

Shall I cease posting until the godly m_dolens bequeaths a topic he doesn't know? Might be a lonely place around here if everyone does that.

You like to slag on me for contributing nothing to CPF, well fucker, I'm still waiting for your revolutionary poker thesis and I seriously think that until you do, you really should just SHUT THE FUCK UP.

g2 · May 30,2008, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by m_dolens

1) i was being sarcastic and i have "updated" my opinion in the canada reference thread (hopefully to your liking)

2) i felt obligated to point out that your post (see above) is accusing me of attacking due to a personal vendetta, and yet you are attacking me in response to a personal vendetta (i.e. the canada reference).

ironic? quite. humorous for me? very.

3) i do not "attack" BBC Z because i think he's a fucking asshole (i.e. because i have a personal vendetta). i "attack" his argument points because they often don't make sense and focus more on arrogance and lack of dialogue than almost all the other posts in this forum. if you made comments similar to his (again, see your comment above), then you will also get "attacked" by me (see the post you are currently reading - possible again if you missed it the first time).

take care

EDIT: and this thread has become about serious hot man-love. don't try to deny it.

1) Very much liking it

2) I was well aware of what I was doing

3) BBC Z is an asshole... and he's proud of it. Nothing wrong with that. I think the only thing that's wrong with his posts is that he gives off a holier than though vibe... they're still funny as hell more often than not though.

Have yourself a great day sir.

/g2

P.s. I'll let your little un-Canadian spelling mistake slide, just this once

m_dolens · May 30,2008, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BBC Z

Seriously dude, just go away. Put me on ignore so everyone doesn't have to deal with you and you don't clutter my threads with your irrelevance. You already understand the points I'm making? Thats a good thing, not everyone who reads this forum does though.

Shall I cease posting until the godly m_dolens bequeaths a topic he doesn't know? Might be a lonely place around here if everyone does that.

You like to slag on me for contributing nothing to CPF, well fucker, I'm still waiting for your revolutionary poker thesis and I seriously think that until you do, you really should just SHUT THE FUCK UP.

whoa man. what the hell is your problem? i didn't realize that me questioning that your post is "challenging our thinking" so much is such a big deal. wow man. perhaps you should take it down a notch. just a suggestion.

also, again, you might want to consider the irony of what you're saying here. just a thought.

m_dolens · May 30,2008, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by g2

P.s. I'll let your little un-Canadian spelling mistake slide, just this once

lol yeah i even wrote it the canadian way and changed it. funny that you noticed lol.

BBC Z · May 30,2008, 01:10 PM

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whoa man. what the hell is your problem?

My problem is you and your propensity to take pot-shots at me and then act like nothing happened. When I'm short with someone, its usually because I'm asking them to think for themselves. When you are short, you are just being an ass.

m_dolens · May 30,2008, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BBC Z

My problem is you and your propensity to take pot-shots at me and then act like nothing happened. When I'm short with someone, its usually because I'm asking them to think for themselves. When you are short, you are just being an ass.

ah...you quoting me as questioning how you are "challenging our thinking". where was the pot-shot exactly?

BBC Z · May 30,2008, 01:17 PM

Fuck and you can't even read?

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what the hell is the point of this thread?

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oh yeah, this is BBC Z. i should know he doesn't consider anything.

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challenge our thinking? that's what is going on here?

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3) i do not "attack" BBC Z because i think he's a fucking asshole (i.e. because i have a personal vendetta). i "attack" his argument points because they often don't make sense and focus more on arrogance and lack of dialogue than almost all the other posts in this forum. if you made comments similar to his (again, see your comment above), then you will also get "attacked" by me (see the post you are currently reading - possible again if you missed it the first time).

Plus whatever the fuck else you have to say about me in other threads.

All you've got when yer on a forum is your words if you can't even stand by those, then I really don't understand why you are here.

m_dolens · May 30,2008, 01:24 PM

again, where are the pot-shots? i don't see them. what did i say that you haven't already agreed with?