Hobbes

So I've been at a 10 handed table for about 1hr and only stuck for about $20. Nothing really playable from EP and it seems to get raised by the time it gets to me in LP.

Then this hand comes up.
Both the BB and SB are fairly loose/passive and the villain is loose and likes to see flops from almost any position. He does get a bit aggro on the turn if the flop is checked around.

So here we go.

Preflop:

I am on the button and get a monster 35s
Villain limps UTG. 3 other callers. I doubt the SB and BB will raise with anything but a monster (I've only seen 2 raises from the BB w AK and QQ)

I call to see a flop, The SB completes and the BB checks.
Pot is now $14.

Flop is 446 rainbow.
Checked to me and I ?

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BuyinBank

UTG limps, 3 more limps, you limp, SB, BB complete. Is that correct? You go to the flop 7-handed and it checks around to you on the button? Is that all correct?

Check and take a free card imo. If someone has a 4, they are probably planning to check-call or check-raise (ie, either the SB or BB). Any 6 will probably check-call. The check-call isn't the worst thing in the world, as you're building the pot if you make your draw on the turn, plus probably able to get to the river for free if the villian checks to the bettor on the turn. But you really don't want to get check-raised here.

Take a free card. If you make a straight on the turn, your villian with a 4 will be leading the turn, you can raise with your made hand and probably get it all in the middle by the river.

GTA Poker

I bet around the pot...especially if you have a tight image. I likely play 30% more hands than you in position and I still bet approx pot in that spot. I also raise to 15 preflop, but that's another story.

For the record, I consider 35ss a monster in deep cash games.

Stack sizes are important as well.

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BuyinBank

I agree with GTA, if it were a raised pot, as you'll be folding out overcards that currently have you beat. Still not sure if it's a 7-way limped pot or not.

Limped pot, I happily check behind though. You're only called when you're beat and if someone has a 4, you'll be able to get the money in on the turn or river if you spike your straight anyways.

And I'm with you as far as raising with 35ss on the button...definitely a monster in deep stacked cash games.

kingkao86

I agree with other posters. Would of raised pre-flop on the button. Would of lead out on the hand and able to lead on the turn with continuation bet.

Playing it the way you played it, I would check and see a free card. 7-way pot, seems very likely that someone has a 4 or maybe even small overs like 66, 77 to check-raise with. Also don't think it is a good semi-bluff hand because of the board is paired. Have to be a bit wary of a boat. Even if you hit a straight, I don't think this is the board where you want to be playing for stacks.

I would check, see a free card. You said villain will fire on the turn when checked around. So if you hit, you'll at least get paid. Good thing about this hand is that villain is UTG and you are button. You can gauge strength of everyone in between. If villain gets re-raised in mid-position, I still don't like my straight much, but keep the pot small.

Hobbes

I bet $10 on the flop.
Only Villain calls.
Turn is 2d so now we have 4d4c6s2d.
Villain bets $15
Pot is $49 and I have about $168 behind. Villain has about $150 back.

Me ?

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kingkao86

Seems really strange for villain to call flop then lead out on turn. There was no draw to call on the flop, so you have to think villain is either holding a 4 or a 6, an overpair, or 57. I think with the bet on the turn, it eliminates having pair of 6s and over pair. Villain can have a set, a boat, or trying to draw cheaply to the straight.

You can call, keep the pot small and reassess from villain's bet on the river.

or

You can raise to $55 to get more value for making your straight. If villain raises all-in, cause I don't see how he can raise and not be all-in with the raise, then you can fold or if villain calls and bets on the river, then you can fold.

blackmagicz

Villian has 4 or over pair...like 77 or something (but I doubt the over pair based on the pre flop action)

He is leading here because the 2D opens up a couple of combo draws and is block betting against you checking the turn for a free card.

I would re-raise him here to punish him for playing his hand poorly on the flop. I am quite sure you have the best hand here and villian will stack off to you.

BuyinBank

Raise to roughly $50.

An overpair is actually quite likely, considering the UTG limp. He could have been going for a preflop limp, 3bet with any big pair or simply limping with 77-TT hoping to flop a set.

I think fearing boats here is a little weak with a made straight, as he has a lot more 4s or overpairs in his range here, and needs percisely 64, 66, 42, 22, or 44 to have you beat. A lot more combination of 77+ or non-boat 4x (say 34, 45, A4s) that you are crushing.

I'd happily get it in here and if he has a boat, such is life.

kingkao86

I think 22, 44, 66 are all limps UTG though. I don't think it is weak at all fearing a boat here. When it is a 7 way pot, you have to fear everything. Well, within reason. And it is in reason.

BuyinBank

Hey kao,

I do agree that 22, 44, and 66 are all limps utg, but based on the board, there is only 1 possible combination of 44, 3 combinations of 22 and 3 combinations of 66. There are many more combinations of hands we have crushed at this point, that would have played the hand the same way (34, 45, A4, 77-TT, and even JJ-AA that limped utg and check-called the flop with a paired board for pot control) and be willing to get their chips in the middle.

I'm happily getting it in here, even with a paired board, but then again you've seen my recklessness when I got it in with my 55 vs your JJ.

syphilaids

Punish limpers often in Live poker. I agree with popping it to 15 pre.
I bet post flop. Only made hands/draws will call here. Since you have a OESD, it's a lot harder for him to have 5-7.
When he calls, he Either he has a 4 and slow plays, or an over pair and willing to fold to a raise from another opponent. He could have a boat here as well, but like was said he has to have either 66 or 4-6. Possible, but unlikely from a loose UTG limper.

On the turn:
His donk bet is so flipping bad it's hillarious. If he has a boat here and is looking for you to raise, he HAS to put you on a case 4 or exactly 3-5, which imo is ridiculous. If we had an overpair we are just flatting here usually, so he is losing a lot of value.
If he did have a boat, why bet at all? You showed aggresion post-flop, why not let you bet again? If we did have 88 here, we could very well double barrel.

To me it smells like he's trying to block-bet you with an overpair / combo draw or bluff you off cause he think's your stealing. Given that he takes aggression on the turn so often, you should pop it here to around 50.
If he ships I call. I think it's way to nitty to fold to a loose UTG opponent with a made straight on a 6 high board. If the board was like 7784 and you had 65 I could justify a flat on the turn for pot control, but not here.

pokerJAH

if you are going to chase a straight on a pair board and then you hit one of your outs on the turn, and then you start to see monsters under the bed?? bet your hand accordingly. Raise on the turn, likely to $50-$75. Personally, I probably would not bet on the flop and see a free card. You bleed a lot of chips raising your draws. My sessions are a lot more profitable when I don't bet or re-raise my draws (unless the flush draws which are more obvious and harder to make money when you do hit).

Hobbes

I make it $45 to go. He snap calls.

River is 3d. Ugh

Board is 4d4c6s2d3d

Villian bets $25 and I'm like wth?
Am I being taken to value town here?

Can't see the flush unless he had 6dxd.
Blocker with overpair or a bare 4?

Pot is 149 (if I've been adding correctly)

Your move?

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jdAA88

Call the $25