Simple Pot Odds

13CARDS · May 23,2008, 02:37 PM

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DrTyore · May 23,2008, 02:46 PM

Good question...

I'd assume a hand like AcAs vs. Ax7s/c is probably the biggest dog, 5.65%...

Is there a bigger one?

Mark

Quimby · May 23,2008, 02:59 PM

Kings are better.

Ks Kc 94.16%
2c Kh 4.31%

labeach2002 · May 23,2008, 03:14 PM

Thank you for the slight insult pkrfce9, but its all good. When I posted this question I knew I would get some sort of response like this. Unfortunately typical.

Anyway, after the mess I made of the ring game at Bristol the other night I started to re-evaluate and see what I was doing wrong. I'm sure its not one, but many lol. I thought one of the many great poker minds here might be able to help me see this topic in a different way. I also thought it might be a valuable topic for beginners joining the forum to read. As some new members may be fearful to post "basic" questions.

Thanks to Mark and the other great responses I do appreciate your time.

labeach

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Originally Posted by pkrfce9

strange thread, coming from a guy who has been a member here for almost 3 years?

i'm guessing you haven't read a lot of poker books? i'd recommend starting with something like Theory of Poker.

pkrfce9 · May 25,2008, 12:44 PM

not intended an insult at all, i'm serious you would get value from reading that book if you are looking for help. as would any beginner not familiar with this topic. so could a lot of 'experienced' players but that is why we make money from them.

pkrfce9 · May 25,2008, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 800OVER

Here's my easiest example. I've raised with AJ (terrible i know) to 3x bb of 300....so to 900 total. Mark in the big blind goes all in for 900 more for a total of 1800. Pot is now 1800+900+150sb. for a total of 2850. My call would obviously be 900. so i have to spend 900 to win 2850. I'm getting slightly more than 3 to 1 on my money. Unless I can put Mark on a bigger ace I have to call. Ie if Mark shows me Queens I still pretty much have to call (I'm hoping he has 78o).

ok, so as a public service to 'beginners' this bolded statement is not particularly accurate. against AK or AQ, you are about a 3:1 underdog and you are getting better than 3:1 from the pot. so it is correct (give or take a percent or 2) to call. even against KK, you are only a little worse than 2:1 dog so you call. only against AA would you not have proper odds to call. and mark never plays AA like this. he milks it until he gets a 'bad' beat.

for that matter, raising against a short stack noted for defending his big blind is incorrect in the first place...

i hope this didn't come off as too insulting!

Pantsonfire · May 26,2008, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by 800OVER

Here's my easiest example. I've raised with AJ (terrible i know) to 3x bb of 300....so to 900 total. Mark in the big blind goes all in for 900 more for a total of 1800. Pot is now 1800+900+150sb. for a total of 2850. My call would obviously be 900. so i have to spend 900 to win 2850. I'm getting slightly more than 3 to 1 on my money. Unless I can put Mark on a bigger ace I have to call. Ie if Mark shows me Queens I still pretty much have to call (I'm hoping he has 78o).

Given the circumstances you describe, you have to call, period. Your equity in this pot given the range of hands he could do this with is way more than 25%.

Pantsonfire · May 26,2008, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by pkrfce9

for that matter, raising against a short stack noted for defending his big blind is incorrect in the first place...

I have to disagree with this. You probably meant to say raising with trash to steal the blinds from a short stack is wrong.

In this case, you know short stack is desparate and you know AJ is much better than his random hand. I.e., you want to get all-in heads up with him. A 3x raise is a good way to do that.