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Old Aug 16,2010, 03:25 PM   #16
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Old Aug 16,2010, 04:27 PM   #19
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It's profitable if you can get away from hands. As are most cards. The most profitable hands in NLHE are suited connectors and small pairs. Easy to throw away with the potential to hit a disguised monster flop. As long as you maximize winnings and minimize the losings they'll be profitable.

I find aces and kings to be only mildly profitable since you have the potential to lose alot on a hand in a cold deck.
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Old Aug 16,2010, 05:38 PM   #20
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I find aces and kings to be only mildly profitable since you have the potential to lose alot on a hand in a cold deck.
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Hands like Ax suited have varying value depending on the texture of the game you're playing in. The value would be more in a wild LAG-gy game than against 7 local nits.

Live action cash games will (nearly) never be too nitty to make these hands unprofitable!
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Old Aug 16,2010, 08:09 PM   #22
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I find aces and kings to be only mildly profitable since you have the potential to lose alot on a hand in a cold deck.
I find this comment strange. The super-tight, winning players I know make close to 50% of their profits from AA.

The good SLAGy and LAGy players I know also make a fair bit from AA, as it's harder for their opponents to put them on AA.

Axs falls into a broad category of hands that I would play based on position, aggression and my opponents. They should be profitable through a combination of making flushes, fold equity, and playing smaller pots that go to showdown when you hit your Ace and your opponent refuses to fold a pair.

Multiway pots are nice with Axs in limit, but in no-limit you're better off to isolate and punish the weaker players at the table and try to get headsup preflop.

It all depends on your strategy. For quite a while I made most of my money playing full ring cash from winning non-SD pots. With that kind of strategy, the cards really don't matter.
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Axs are fantastic hands to play. Later position is obv better as usual and draws are harder to play out of position because you never have the option of a free card and it's harder to extract when you hit. Because of that it's not a bad idea to tighten up the Axs range a bit in EP when you'll likely end up out of position so that you have some additional top pair value as backup.

Full ring games I'm opening AJs+ in EP, ATs+ in MP and A2s+ in LP. 6max I'm opening all Axs from all positions especially if there's a fish in the blinds.

Anything lower than AT and your kicker doesn't really matter anymore because you can't play for big pot value and you do need to be able to get away from top pair facing a lot of heat. Because of that, A2-A5 are actually better hands than A6-A9 due to the added straight value.

And it's not only narrow margin of boards that we flop something. Backdoor draws are extremely important. Take for example A5ss vs A5o on a J73r board with 1 spade and we cbet. Any spade on the turn gives us 9 outs to legitimately stay aggressive. Add to that any 2, 4, or 6 give us gutshots, an Ace may give us the best hand plus we might be able to barrel our opponent off a middle pair if the turn is a Q or K. Comparatively, A5o still only has 3 outs and the occasional gutshot most of the time.

That's a total of 27 turn cards for our A5s which are going to hit 54% of the time that we can profitably double barrel on a very inoccuace board that at first glance we completely missed.

We also have a ton of equity against everything whenever we do flop a flush draw. We cooler smaller flush draws and we're flipping or slightly ahead of any 1 pair hand on the flop and have 32% equity even against sets. It's great for your image to be able to shove some of those flops with a ton of equity without a set or overpair to help you get paid off more when you do have those hands.

Cliffnotes: Axs is the ultimate semi-bluff hand.

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