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Feb 26,2009, 07:38 AM
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#1 | | Local Celebrity | Strange QQ spot
Whats the play here and why. I will explain my reasoning after the fact, although Im not sure about it.
Full Tilt Poker Game #10841308134: $10 + $1 Knockout (81469049), Table 73 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:45:42 ET - 2009/02/25
Seat 1: klj7 (1,860)
Seat 2: mivgash (13,295)
Seat 3: DrunkIndian (6,385)
Seat 4: gott ist stumm (1,615)
Seat 5: erol1974 (11,110)
Seat 6: TheBulldog3 (1,200)
Seat 7: luckychip70 (2,785)
Seat 8: ferdy 1982 (1,800), is sitting out
Seat 9: Wetts1012 (12,245)
Wetts1012 posts the small blind of 60
klj7 posts the big blind of 120
DJ Magik MyK (Observer): Gott, you are still on for this friday right? Mr. C got you a seat...had to bump someone else off for ya
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Wetts1012 [Qd Qh]
mivgash folds
DrunkIndian folds
gott ist stumm has 15 seconds left to act
gott ist stumm folds
erol1974 calls 120
TheBulldog3 folds
luckychip70 folds
ferdy 1982 folds
Wetts1012 raises to 480
klj7 folds
erol1974 calls 360
gott ist stumm: yeah
*** FLOP *** [9h Jh 8c]
Wetts1012 checks
DJ Magik MyK (Observer): cool beans
erol1974 bets 1,080
Wetts1012 calls 1,080
*** TURN *** [9h Jh 8c] [5h]
Wetts1012 checks
slimbooo (Observer): whats the buy in?
erol1974 has 15 seconds left to act
erol1974 bets 3,240
Wetts1012 has 15 seconds left to act
Wetts1012 has requested TIME
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Feb 26,2009, 07:59 AM
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#2 | | tu ne cede malis
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Do you have any kind of a read on erol?
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Feb 26,2009, 08:10 AM
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#3 | | Local Celebrity |
Other than him being a $10 tournament goof like myself, no.
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Feb 26,2009, 08:34 AM
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#4 | | Tilting for 5 years!! |
Why a check/call on the flop? Unless you had him on KK or AA before the flop, but that doesn't seem likely, a feeler raise of 1/2 pot would tell you a lot about his hand. As it is, you know nothing about his strength, and he gets a cheap look at the turn to maybe hit his flush or straight draw.
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Feb 26,2009, 08:44 AM
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#5 | | The Cake is a Lie
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I'm assuming this is still early with the blinds at 60/120 so you are pretty far off the money.
I might ship here and then have him call with Ah-Jx and catch the flush. (or be pushing into the nuts.)
Either you are behind or ahead and there is really no card to come on the turn that you would like to see so either ship or fold.
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Feb 26,2009, 08:53 AM
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#6 | | Local Celebrity | Quote:
Originally Posted by STR82ACE  Why a check/call on the flop? Unless you had him on KK or AA before the flop, but that doesn't seem likely, a feeler raise of 1/2 pot would tell you a lot about his hand. As it is, you know nothing about his strength, and he gets a cheap look at the turn to maybe hit his flush or straight draw. | I felt this was actually a horrible flop for his range (limp/call). I think there is a lot of 88/99/JJ in this spot. I am definately not concerned about KK/AA. I figured we were deep enough to check/call and see what direction he went on the turn.....
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Feb 26,2009, 09:01 AM
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#7 | | Angry White Man
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He either has a flush from the river card and trying to get you to throw more into the pot, or he's bluffing. The fact that he didn't raise anything pre-flop means he's probably not holding any top pair. Once he saw the flop, saw a flush draw, and raised.
I would have folded at this point.
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Feb 26,2009, 09:09 AM
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#8 | | Local Celebrity | Quote:
Originally Posted by MadDawg He either has a flush from the river card and trying to get you to throw more into the pot, or he's bluffing. The fact that he didn't raise anything pre-flop means he's probably not holding any top pair. Once he saw the flop, saw a flush draw, and raised.
I would have folded at this point. | 1) Fail. I havent told you what the river is yet?
2) I havent bet, how can he raise me?
3) Why would you fold if you put villain on a draw?
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Feb 26,2009, 09:20 AM
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#9 | | Run Good Wizard |
Smells totally of AJ with a heart at best....
I can't see him betting his flush out on the turn if you just call the the flop.
I raise the flop to see what villian does personally as by him just calling you re-raise I have to eliminate AA or KK or even JJ from his range (unless he has been trappy).
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Feb 26,2009, 09:26 AM
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#10 | | Local Celebrity | Quote:
Originally Posted by blackmagicz
Position is your friend here. | I am OOP. Not my friend....
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Feb 26,2009, 09:30 AM
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#11 | | Tilting for 5 years!! | Quote:
Originally Posted by Wetts1012 I am OOP. Not my friend.... | Hence the need to lead out on the flop though imo
As played, though, I would tend to a fold on the turn. Just too much draw potential.
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Feb 26,2009, 09:40 AM
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#12 | | Angry White Man
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Originally Posted by Wetts1012 1) Fail. I havent told you what the river is yet?
2) I havent bet, how can he raise me?
3) Why would you fold if you put villain on a draw? | 1)I meant the turn card, not river. No need to be nasty.
2)By raise, I meant bet.
3)I meant I would fold after he put that bet down after the turn, not after the flop.
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Feb 26,2009, 10:04 AM
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#13 | | I got my flippy floppies!
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With no read, and having played that tourney a fair bit...AhXh is entirely possible as well...looks like buddy played his trash and hit...or he hit his set of 5's. It isn't that much to walk away from...that being said I would have bet out big on the flop.
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Feb 26,2009, 10:34 AM
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Tough spot but I highly doubt he has a flush. Don't really see too many pot bet semi bet (nut flush draws). On the flop I think he's protecting a hand like KJ, QJ, JT. 88/99/JJ/AJ i'd have him on a preflop raise. The turn bet I think he might have added a flush draw. But size was 88/99 comes back in the picture (pp limper?).
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Feb 26,2009, 10:45 AM
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#15 | | Run Good Wizard | Quote:
Originally Posted by Wetts1012 I am OOP. Not my friend.... | My bad....checkraise flop then.....you effect stacks are deep enough to do so, that would get you information.
By check calling it is costing you too much on the turn. You could easily re-raise to 3000 on that flop and see how fast he calls/or if he ships it in.
I still think you are ahead here....
With the line you have take I will bet the turn as a block to see what the villian does.
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