suited aces and suited connectors

Meistro · Oct 27,2010, 08:55 PM

of what value and in what situations do you think these hands are worthwhile in no limit hold'em casino cash games?

darbday · Oct 27,2010, 09:23 PM

mostly straight flushes sometimes quads...

syphilaids · Oct 28,2010, 01:51 PM

Tons of value. Table dependent obviously. Want a loose/passive table for these. Early pos I'm usually folding, MP I'm usually folding/ raising about 5bbs. Late pos, raising more often.

In MP facing a raise I usually fold. Late pos with lots of callers im flatting.
Late pos facing lots of limpers I'm usually raising. Generally, you want to have position with these hands.

Play aggressivly when you hit, rarely ever slowplaying unless its HU.

T8urmoney · Oct 28,2010, 02:13 PM

JJ+ = win small pot, or lose big one

78ss = lose small pot, win big one

pokerJAH · Oct 28,2010, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by T8urmoney

JJ+ = win small pot, or lose big one

78ss = lose small pot, win big one

I find its hard to make money with a flush these days, not unless someone has a weaker one and will chase it. Suited connectors win big pots as stated. Easy to get away from if you miss the flop, etc.

Milo · Oct 28,2010, 04:26 PM

Okay, I'll say it . . . Suited Aces?

Suited Ax, sure, but I have to look askance at a deck with 2 Aces of the same suit.

philliivey · Oct 28,2010, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Milo

Okay, I'll say it . . . Suited Aces?

Suited Ax, sure, but I have to look askance at a deck with 2 Aces of the same suit.

LOL, no worries Milo I was going to say the same thing if I was not working 20 hours a friggin day.

wildbill7145 · Oct 28,2010, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Milo

Okay, I'll say it . . . Suited Aces?

Suited Ax, sure, but I have to look askance at a deck with 2 Aces of the same suit.

I saw that and then clicked on the thread to see the demolition derby of destruction that I thought would ensue. I'm impressed however, by the way people have quietly and politely disregarded the comment. Very Canadian.

Meistro · Dec 26,2010, 04:32 PM

Suited aces excel at limped pots. It is rare you will hit a flush and A7s is just more trouble than it is worth when you flop a pair of aces alone. Still, it is usually correct except in tight games to limp with these hands. The looser and more passive the table the better, to be sure.

Neither of these hands can really call large raises, as are common in these games. They prefer position, of course, as do all hands. OOP it is very difficult to get paid if you make your draws. They are also better against fish than good players.

it takes great care and discrimination to play these hands correctly, and looking with excitement at 78s regardless of position or action is the mark of a rank amateur.

darbday · Dec 29,2010, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Meistro

Suited aces excel at limped pots. It is rare you will hit a flush and A7s is just more trouble than it is worth when you flop a pair of aces alone. Still, it is usually correct except in tight games to limp with these hands. The looser and more passive the table the better, to be sure.

Neither of these hands can really call large raises, as are common in these games. They prefer position, of course, as do all hands. OOP it is very difficult to get paid if you make your draws. They are also better against fish than good players.

it takes great care and discrimination to play these hands correctly, and looking with excitement at 78s regardless of position or action is the mark of a rank amateur.

i would like to award 10 points for bumping your own thread with an answer to your own question......

DennisG · Dec 29,2010, 12:13 PM

Suited Ax and Kx paid well last night for me. Live games people are overplaying top pair and two pair all the time. (at least out west)
As stated, it is positional and table dependant..but when you hit, you are getting paid...

With the Ax..it was paying very well...I saw at least 6-8 hands go to showdown with an A6 or smaller ..brings a whole bunch of extra value to those A8s-AJs hands.

JohnnieH · Dec 29,2010, 01:15 PM

OP- Shouldn't you be raising suited connecters/aces in late position? Why would you limp?

Meistro · Jan 05,2011, 07:10 PM

If you have an equity edge, yes, especially because this usually plays very well post flop (playing on your opponents passive / predictable tendancies, i.e. they should all check to you allowing you to check very weak draws like back door straight or back door flush) but the problem I have with this plan of attack for suited connectors is that your opponents will often be playing suited queens and jacks so you could easily be dominated on the flush and playing for straight value. Furthermore these are implied odds hands, by raising you are cutting down on your implied odds, in essence charging yourself more to draw. OTOH if your opponents do not understand post flop play very well (as is usually the case in people who have not taken a scientific study of the game) your edge from playing well post flop as well as the relative strength of your hand vs the field may very well be enough to raise suited connectors.

I guess what I mean to say is this subject is far from settled. Kxs is another interesting question as well. A lot of course matters on the players who have entered so far and their post flop tendencies. I wonder what the % chances of making a straight or flush by the river areÉ