How do you play this?

ReefAquarium · Apr 09,2008, 02:39 PM

To answer this question you need to know how much he continuation bets the turn if unraised.
If he frequently c-bets the turn then you want to check call the flop, check call the turn, and bet the river.
If he frequently c-bets the river then you can check raise the river.

ScoobyD · Apr 21,2008, 06:45 PM

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I fold pre-flop. The only board I'm happy with is trips and that doesn't occur enough to justify the odds (implied or otherwise).

Agreed.

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You are in the SB against a LP PFR. If you lead out from the SB (who gets assigned any two cards preflop) you are like sounding the alarm that you have trips minimum and everyone will fold. Or do you really think that someone will think you are bluffing into 5 players in LHE?

It's the BB actually. I think this is a big "it depends". Lots of players donk a 9 or a small pair here. Some will donk a 2. Almost no-one would stone bluff into 5 opponents. How aggressive is the pfr? I don't hate leading out here. I think a CR is terrible, unless maybe BB+1 leads and everyone calls.

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I check the turn, and even consider just calling the bet.. Raising will be great at knocking out players. But calling will induce a player or two to stick around. For everyone one player that stick around on the turn, it's another big bet in your pocket. This is probably the best case for slowplaying every street. The problem is that an observant player should realize you can only be calling with trips because the flop contained no draw.

Really? I hate that line. Wtf is everyone peeling the flop with? Overcards? Since a CR is so transparent, I like donking. It still makes it 1 bet to the MP players if they still want to cling to their 9 or overcards, and PFR is in an awkward spot if he has something like an overpair. SB is the interesting one though. What sort of hand does he need to flat call a blank flop with 3 people yet to act behind him on the flop? A 2 maybe? In which case leading gives a chance to bet/3bet whoever's got the case 2 (potentially sandwiching a few in between). The combination of the other players checking behind, and the chance of someone else having the case 2 makes me lead here like everytime.

BBC Z · Apr 21,2008, 10:14 PM

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Really? I hate that line. Wtf is everyone peeling the flop with? Overcards? Since a CR is so transparent, I like donking. It still makes it 1 bet to the MP players if they still want to cling to their 9 or overcards, and PFR is in an awkward spot if he has something like an overpair.

I assigned all the villains at the table of the typical limit holdem player type where they love to call one bet, but start to get suspecious or anxious when it's two bets.. Also if there are two different bettors. Actually, even bad players recognize the blind betting out on a rag flop is a made hand.

What I was hoping for is mr PFR to continuation bet, letting everyone call his bet because thats what they do. Maybe donking the turn would be a better use to collect the extra 1/2 bets from MP as opposed to the flop.

This is all theoretical cuz there aint enough implied odds in the world to get me along with 92o unless im bored or it's 2/4 live lhe.

kk_rush · Apr 24,2008, 08:17 AM

I think I would probably check-raise the turn. Just check and wait for someone to bet and, hopefully, get a few callers before it comes back to you. Then you raise. At the least, with this pot, people will at least call that one bet. I would then bet out on the river regardless what comes.

BBC Z · Apr 24,2008, 09:36 AM

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I think I would probably check-raise the turn. Just check and wait for someone to bet and, hopefully, get a few callers before it comes back to you. Then you raise. At the least, with this pot, people will at least call that one bet. I would then bet out on the river regardless what comes.

For every player that drops out after you check raise, you need to gain another bet from the player that stays. In large multi-way pots with the nuts, you are more profitable to allow players to stay in the hand than to "Do the natural thing" and raise.