A few PLO Hands

Steve.693 · Jun 30,2011, 07:11 PM

Just to liven the PLO forum up here are a couple of hands I played recently.
Anyone who would have played them differently?

PokerStars - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
MP: $18.29
CO: $6.00
Hero (BTN): $17.52
SB: $10.00
BB: $29.90
UTG: $6.65
SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has A:heart: K:club: A:diamond: Q:diamond:
UTG raises to $0.35, fold, CO calls $0.35, Hero calls $0.35, SB raises to $1.85, fold, UTG calls $1.50, CO calls $1.50, Hero raises to $9.35, SB raises to $10.00 and is all-in, UTG calls $4.80 and is all-in, CO calls $4.15 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.65
Flop: ($32.75, 4 players) 9:heart: 8:spade: 9:spade:
Turn: ($32.75, 4 players) 4:spade:
River: ($32.75, 4 players) K:heart:
SB shows 5:spade: 6:heart: 5:heart: 7:heart: (Two Pair, Nines and Fives)
Hero shows A:heart: K:club: A:diamond: Q:diamond: (Two Pair, Aces and Nines)
UTG shows 8:club: T:diamond: J:heart: A:spade: (Two Pair, Nines and Eights)
CO shows Q:spade: 3:diamond: T:heart: K:spade: (Flush, King High)
CO wins $22.90
Hero wins $8.22

PokerStars - $0.25 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
BTN: $23.92
SB: $25.68
BB: $50.09
Hero (UTG): $23.68
CO: $54.11
SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25
Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has K:heart: 7:diamond: 8:heart: 8:diamond:
Hero raises to $0.75, fold, fold, SB calls $0.65, fold
Flop: ($1.75, 2 players) 8:club: 3:heart: K:club:
SB checks, Hero bets $1.25, SB raises to $5.25, Hero raises to $17.42, SB raises to $24.93 and is all-in, Hero calls $5.51 and is all-in
Turn: ($47.61, 2 players) 3:club:
River: ($47.61, 2 players) T:spade:
SB shows 4:club: A:club: A:heart: Q:club: (Flush, Ace High)
Hero shows K:heart: 7:diamond: 8:heart: 8:diamond: (Full House, Eights full of Threes)
Hero wins $45.61

more to come soon

DrTyore · Jun 30,2011, 07:51 PM

Well, that's only two hands, one posted twice from what I see..

But can I ask you why you're just calling on the button with AAxx but raising under the gun with 88xx? You got your head on backwards there son.

Hand one, you got it all in PF, so I can't sass.... that's how you should do - but re-raising is how you should have gotten there.

Hand two, that's a fold in that position.

Mark

Steve.693 · Jun 30,2011, 08:29 PM

Fixed it now down to 2.

Sorry I had three but must have pasted one twice instead of copying the new one. I will look for more later.

Now for hand one the call was because the table had been crazy aggressive pre and I figured that I could get it in after someone raised or see a flop and re-evaluate then as I didn't want to put myself in a semi-committed conundrum.

Hand 2 I was running over the table after the flop as they were folding to 85% of my c-bets as such I was playng anlmost anything at that point. Now I am not saying that it is right to do but it was my reason for the pre-flop raise

-Steve

Milo · Jun 30,2011, 09:01 PM

Agree with Mark re: hand #1. You're on the button, with a very good starter, but you want to be HU or HU+1 with that hand, so I would raise "pot" PF. Not sure how many would have dropped, based on what they were willing to shove with, but you neede to play that hand much faster.

Hand #2 is screaming for a cheap flop . . . if you're going to FORCE me to play it. Unless you put a gun to my head, that is an UTG fold EVERY time. Other than a set, what were you hoping to hit? The answer is NOTHING, because beyond the 8's that is what you have. Gonesville . . .

Milo · Jun 30,2011, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve.693

Fixed it now down to 2.

Sorry I had three but must have pasted one twice instead of copying the new one. I will look for more later.

Now for hand one the call was because the table had been crazy aggressive pre and I figured that I could get it in after someone raised or see a flop and re-evaluate then as I didn't want to put myself in a semi-committed conundrum.

This is why you need to be raising pf. Your hand is best RIGHT NOW, so put them to the "commitment" test.

Hand 2 I was running over the table after the flop as they were folding to 85% of my c-bets as such I was playng anlmost anything at that point. Now I am not saying that it is right to do but it was my reason for the pre-flop raise

And you got caught in the trap of playing your "rush" rather than playing poker . . .

-Steve

See bolded above.

gettin daize · Jun 30,2011, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Milo

Hand #2 is screaming for a cheap flop . . . if you're going to FORCE me to play it. Unless you put a gun to my head, that is an UTG fold EVERY time. Other than a set, what were you hoping to hit? The answer is NOTHING, because beyond the 8's that is what you have. Gonesville . . .

you must not play alot of omaha

double suited is +EV and a raise every time

hes double suited, suited connectors, and a pair. its a premium starting hand

DrTyore · Jun 30,2011, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gettin daize

you must not play alot of omaha

double suited is +EV and a raise every time

hes double suited, suited connectors, and a pair. its a premium starting hand

You must not play a lot of omaha.

Double suited to the non nuts is suicide and asking for coolers. A mid pair is asking to get set over set coolered, and connected cards like 78 can make the nut straight only 3/4 times, and that's if the board doesn't suit up or pair. Straight flushes are still ridiculously rare.

Mark

Richard~ · Jul 01,2011, 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gettin daize

you must not play alot of omaha

double suited is +EV and a raise every time

hes double suited, suited connectors, and a pair. its a premium starting hand

Lol, you sound like one of the noobs at my local pokerclub playing $500-$2000 pots at 1/1 omaha over and over again cause they don't have a clue what they're doing but are insanely confident in their abilities to play. Juiciest games around if you're rolled for them

Milo · Jul 01,2011, 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gettin daize

you must not play alot of omaha

double suited is +EV and a raise every time

hes double suited, suited connectors, and a pair. its a premium starting hand

So . . . are you playing the Omaha side of the WSPC event in August? Please?

Pretty please?

Steve.693 · Jul 01,2011, 04:11 PM

Thanks for the input. I know that the hand with the 8's was trash and easier to get in trouble with than win a big pot butit is easy to get caught up playing a rush. Trying hard to improve my game as PLO has so much going on the learning curve is steep.

How bout this hand.

PokerStars - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
SB: $35.49
Hero (BB): $14.92
UTG: $4.62
MP: $13.14
CO: $5.91
BTN: $9.95
SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has K:spade: A:heart: 8:heart: 8:spade:
fold, fold, CO calls $0.10, fold, SB raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $1.00, fold, SB raises to $3.10, Hero calls $2.10
Flop: ($6.30, 2 players) K:heart: 2:heart: 4:heart:
SB checks, Hero bets $2.15, SB raises to $4.30, Hero raises to $11.82 and is all-in, fold
Hero wins $14.18

Decided to flat the 4-bet pre as I figured my hand neede to hit to win here but had lots of potential and the pot odds seemed decent.

On the flop I was hoping he had a smaller flush and would pay off. maybe should've flat called his raise and let him bet out the turn but was worried that he may have a set of kings and if the board paired I would have to let go of the pot making all-in my best chioce here I think

T8urmoney · Jul 04,2011, 05:56 PM

I see no problem with how you played that hand...however, I prefer betting flop, when min-checkraised, I like a smooth call for 2 reasons:

1.) You give him the chance to barrell turn
2.) Better chance of getting called by weaker holdings

His min-raise screams super strength, or super weakness (as you have the nuts, have to assume it means the latter), if he had KK, he's likely betting out flop, or check potting to get the chips in.

Sometimes in this spot, I'll even check the turn if it's checked to me..........just about always you'll get check called, or bluffed into on the river.

Wetts1012 · Jul 04,2011, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by T8urmoney

I see no problem with how you played that hand...however, I prefer betting flop, when min-checkraised, I like a smooth call for 2 reasons:

1.) You give him the chance to barrell turn
2.) Better chance of getting called by weaker holdings

His min-raise screams super strength, or super weakness (as you have the nuts, have to assume it means the latter), if he had KK, he's likely betting out flop, or check potting to get the chips in.

Sometimes in this spot, I'll even check the turn if it's checked to me..........just about always you'll get check called, or bluffed into on the river.

What do you know about the beautiful 4 carded game donk.