A few PLO Hands

compuease · Jul 04,2011, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DrTyore

Suited?

Mark

If it's all red for sure... I read somewhere that hearts and diamonds are much more likely to make flushes...

Milo · Jul 04,2011, 08:27 PM

I have an interesting prop bet involving 6/7/8 . . . have to try it out at the WSPC cash game.

Steve.693 · Jul 04,2011, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by compuease

If it's all red for sure... I read somewhere that hearts and diamonds are much more likely to make flushes...

No No you need one of each suit in your hand so you can always flop some flush cards

DrTyore · Jul 04,2011, 10:38 PM

No no silly

Red cards are more likely to get a straight because the paint is stickier.... black cards get flushes more often because the paint is HEAVIER.

Geez.

Mark

Steve.693 · Jul 04,2011, 10:40 PM

damn, ypou mean that's what I've been doing wrong? I keep drawing to red flushes and black straights no wonder they never get there

Jugulatus · Jul 06,2011, 02:59 PM

All in on the very first hand. Any Comments?

PokerStars Game #64226191014: Tournament #411730780, $1.35+$0.15 USD Omaha Pot Limit - Level I (15/30) - 2011/07/06 15:28:55 ET
Table '411730780 1' 10-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Evarella0707 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: 74 Gnome (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: avtobar (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: Julian M700 (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: Jugulatus (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: bakkenist (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: ilya der777 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: Kayman326 (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: Lbj all in (1500 in chips)
Seat 10: MABRO2121 (1500 in chips)
74 Gnome: posts small blind 15
avtobar: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Jugulatus [Th Tc Kh Ac]
Julian M700: calls 30
Jugulatus: raises 105 to 135
bakkenist: folds
ilya der777: raises 345 to 480
Kayman326: folds
Lbj all in: folds
MABRO2121: folds
Evarella0707: folds
74 Gnome: folds
avtobar: folds
Julian M700: folds
Julian M700 is sitting out
Jugulatus: raises 1020 to 1500 and is all-in
ilya der777: calls 1020 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [5s Qd Qc]
*** TURN *** [5s Qd Qc] [7s]
*** RIVER *** [5s Qd Qc 7s] [4h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Jugulatus: shows [Th Tc Kh Ac] (two pair, Queens and Tens)
ilya der777: shows [9s 9h 3d Qh] (three of a kind, Queens)
ilya der777 collected 3075 from pot
Jugulatus finished the tournament in 10th place

JohnnieH · Jul 06,2011, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jugulatus

$1.35+$0.15

This is all the explanation you need.

Jugulatus · Jul 06,2011, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnieH

This is all the explanation you need.

Thanks! Glad to see the old hands sharing their experience with the the newer members on this board. Much appreciated.

DrTyore · Jul 06,2011, 03:13 PM

Not sure I like this hand AIPF...

Would you go all in with TT in a normal SNG first hand? What about Ak if you were 50% sure that your opponent had KK?

Mark

Jugulatus · Jul 06,2011, 03:16 PM

But what I'm really interested in is if my starting hand was just too weak to go all in on. I know I was ahead when all our chips were in the pot and I lost, but I'm not sure how much I was ahead. Was my shove a good move to a pot-limit re-raise or should I have called and taken a flop first?

Jugulatus · Jul 06,2011, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DrTyore

Not sure I like this hand AIPF...

Would you go all in with TT in a normal SNG first hand? What about Ak if you were 50% sure that your opponent had KK?

Mark

So, you're saying I should have folded or flat-called the PL re-raise?

I can see that, perhaps I over-estimated the value of the double-suited nut and second-nut flush draws?

DrTyore · Jul 06,2011, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jugulatus

So, you're saying I should have folded or flat-called the PL re-raise?

I can see that, perhaps I over-estimated the value of the double-suited nut and second-nut flush draws?

Well, it depends...

Since this is the first hand, you have no reads, and no information aside from your cards to work on. Pocket tens is your strength in this hand, but with all four cards connecting, and suiting up, that is a very diverse hand.

In this case, yea, some jackass called you with crap and hit. In this case, I'm not sure what I would do in a vacuum. I'd assume that your hand is better than average.

Mark

Steve.693 · Jul 06,2011, 05:59 PM

Most times in PLO you have to assume that you are against aces (or kings/queeens against a loose/ unknowledgable PLO player) when you are facing a big re-raise pre-flop. In early position at the beginning of these tournies I like a limp with this hand and a call to a single raise to get to the flop cheap where you can become a huge favorite. Pre-flop most PLO hands are no more than 60% favorite over an average hand

Richard~ · Jul 06,2011, 06:23 PM

I'm probably folding almost any hand that does not contain aces here when faced with the 3bet. Maybe I can call with some special types of 9876 hands but having the pair here actually hurts our hand in many cases.

Jugulatus · Jul 07,2011, 12:12 AM

Thanks for the advice. Very helpful as I obviously have a lot to learn.