ya i don't like that limper.....need a read he would possible lay down that for sure ill shove it. some guys raise their aces but call there broadway so could be a good spot.
limp range is super wide for you not to get it in.
Plus he might be retarded and fold.
Edit. Just realized its a turbo. Its supernotclose now.
ya thats fine but if this villain never limps or something then we are crushed 100% of the time....maybe if i don't have info ill shove but id like to have a reason to feel he might lay down....some guys will never lay down here...hence they always have you crushed.
See my first reaction was to auto insta shove with this stack. I always thought the limper was a bonus. But I have been looking through my results from past 180 turbos and sng wiz is telling me this is a fold. Can someone explain why this is? Is this because it thinks its the FT automatically in SNG wiz? Or is it cus I basically give two people the correct odds to call with almost atc? If that limper had folded, wiz tells me to ship a HUGE range (which I understand). But I cant figure out why it would want me to tighten right up just cus the one limper who I most likely have slightly beat or crushed.
I think the range it gave me for a shove was like 10s+, AJ+ maybe? dont have it with me right now.
Anyways, what range would you be shoving then guys?
Random 2 - x% of the time, I can't really say. The fact that he just limps with his stack shows extreme weakness who will fold quite often even with your stack.
mp limping a monster is like 1% chance, even less as a turbo, even less with 15bb.
Evaluating the hand on its own - not suited, not connected. You are praying you have the best A at the table. You have 1/2 the table to act behind you. All of the stacks behind you are larger than you, including the blinds. One limper, unless his VPIP>21%, you are behind his range. M>5
Using the push bot charts, you have >0.5% of the chips, 4 left to act behind so your M has to be less than 5.4 to profitably push and that's if you are opening the pot. There is already is one limper so even though it was close between folding/pushing before, it is for sure a fold now.
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mp limping a monster is like 1% chance, even less as a turbo, even less with 15bb.
lol, I sure don't agree with this...many times I will limp AQ+ in mid/early position at this point. It's amazing how many ppl will interpret this as weak and ship... Easy chips imo...
Somtimes wasteful when all I get is limpers but meh, I can live with it.
Late position I'm not limping however since then I catch the guys thinking I'm stealing from late.
Evaluating the hand on its own - not suited, not connected. You are praying you have the best A at the table. You have 1/2 the table to act behind you. All of the stacks behind you are larger than you, including the blinds. One limper, unless his VPIP>21%, you are behind his range. M>5
Using the push bot charts, you have >0.5% of the chips, 4 left to act behind so your M has to be less than 5.4 to profitably push and that's if you are opening the pot. There is already is one limper so even though it was close between folding/pushing before, it is for sure a fold now.
See my first reaction was to auto insta shove with this stack. I always thought the limper was a bonus. But I have been looking through my results from past 180 turbos and sng wiz is telling me this is a fold. Can someone explain why this is? Is this because it thinks its the FT automatically in SNG wiz? Or is it cus I basically give two people the correct odds to call with almost atc? If that limper had folded, wiz tells me to ship a HUGE range (which I understand). But I cant figure out why it would want me to tighten right up just cus the one limper who I most likely have slightly beat or crushed.
I think the range it gave me for a shove was like 10s+, AJ+ maybe? dont have it with me right now.
Anyways, what range would you be shoving then guys?
You're def misusing SNGWiz for this spot. Your shoving range should be relatively close to slightly wider than if it was an open shove (kinda depends on stats if you're hud'in). SNG Wiz doesn't really get situations where someone has done something other than push/fold before you, unless you've messed with stuff to make it do so. I'd be shoving ~22+ Ax+ K7s+ KTo+ Q9s+ QTo+ J8s+ JTo. Maybe take out the very bottom of jacks or something. You want to weight your range towards higher cards in case the limp FU calls you with T9s or JTs which sucks for when you shove suited connectors.
Evaluating the hand on its own - not suited, not connected. You are praying you have the best A at the table. You have 1/2 the table to act behind you. All of the stacks behind you are larger than you, including the blinds. One limper, unless his VPIP>21%, you are behind his range. M>5
The bolded is a pretty bad way to look at it. If the limper limped 100% and you flipped your cards up and jammed A9 you win money, since it's so strong with this amount of hands left to act that you figure to have the best hand a ton of the time on average. Stacks behind you, and how many to act are irrelevant when your shove is unexploitable (aka, your hand is so strong given your stack that they won't get dealt a stronger hand often enough to make your shove -EV).
If we're using a HUD, sure I look up his VPIP and limp % and make an easy decision. Assuming OP isn't using one or something, I would just assume that the limp is nothing. At the $2 level this is more than a safe assumption. At nearly every level it is. That's why people's PFR deviates from their VPIP, and that's why we can make money at this game, people are too loose/passive in general, on average. Without a read, it's a mistake to assume that this limp indicates anything other than a marginal-weak hand.
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Using the push bot charts, you have >0.5% of the chips, 4 left to act behind so your M has to be less than 5.4 to profitably push and that's if you are opening the pot. There is already is one limper so even though it was close between folding/pushing before, it is for sure a fold now.
I'm not sure what charts you're using but the Nash equilibrium says that you can push up to at least 6M from the hijack. Nash assumes everyone is playing perfectly vs. your range. No one's playing even close to perfectly here, so we can safely assume that A9o is definitely profitable. The limper in general should make it more appealing to jam (especially when he limps MP and not EP) since he will fold >50% of the time, or call worse hands some % of the time.
lol, I sure don't agree with this...many times I will limp AQ+ in mid/early position at this point. It's amazing how many ppl will interpret this as weak and ship... Easy chips imo...
Somtimes wasteful when all I get is limpers but meh, I can live with it.
Late position I'm not limping however since then I catch the guys thinking I'm stealing from late.
It's definitely a mistake to project your own ranges onto other random players. I'd be willing to make a rather large wager that this is more often a speculative hand than a trap on average, and it's not difficult to deduce why that is logically.
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