3 bet pot on different textures

darbday · Nov 28,2011, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard~

Makes sense. I find this interesting as I see many low stakes regs who don't seem to have much of a flatting range at all, usually I just 4bet them though

This reminds me of a post where a good reg flatted my ep and i check folded aq or something because I froze. Ever since then I've been flatting decent players and watching them squirm.

Thinking about it now it prob has to do with the average randoms flatting range mid game which has a lot of slow played monsters because most people do 3 bet hands like jts kqs 99 etc,

But I do get a lot of success prob from my perceived range. Not likely new for you though Rich, I maybe partly learned it from you

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Originally Posted by Richard~

In hand number two, would you like my 3bet more with 108s?

I'll bet he does, somehow how seems almost good enough to flat but I think its way better to 3bet than jts and a pocket pair.

I'm curious about when and why we 3bet bluff out of the blinds or even just flatting mp raises from the bb(I saw a hh where V did it with J7s)....that's what I would like to know...

Vekked · Dec 04,2011, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard~

In hand number two, would you like my 3bet more with 108s?

Definitely. Although I'd like it slightly better with a card lower than the 10 so it doesn't suck as much when he flats AT/KT/JT type hands. 97s is probably slightly better.

Vekked · Dec 04,2011, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by darbday

This reminds me of a post where a good reg flatted my ep and i check folded aq or something because I froze. Ever since then I've been flatting decent players and watching them squirm.

Thinking about it now it prob has to do with the average randoms flatting range mid game which has a lot of slow played monsters because most people do 3 bet hands like jts kqs 99 etc,

But I do get a lot of success prob from my perceived range. Not likely new for you though Rich, I maybe partly learned it from you

I'll bet he does, somehow how seems almost good enough to flat but I think its way better to 3bet than jts and a pocket pair.

I'm curious about when and why we 3bet bluff out of the blinds or even just flatting mp raises from the bb(I saw a hh where V did it with J7s)....that's what I would like to know...

Yo which hand history was that Darb? I could try and break it down if I saw it. I'm guessing that the opener was very very loose and min-raised if I defended J7s. Basically if someone's opening like 60% of the time it's folded to them defending and going to town on them post flop on flops they're never going to hit hard is the best strat. The other possibility is if the villain was a really really big fish and I just wanted to play a pot with something reasonable. Defending J7s is not something I'd do regularly though, and I'd recommend you doing it even less at this point until you're confident in identifying the spots to be doing it (it's not going to be hugely +EV anyways, but could be significantly -EV if you pick the wrong spots to do it, or play those spots incorrectly post).

darbday · Dec 06,2011, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Vekked

Yo which hand history was that Darb? I could try and break it down if I saw it. I'm guessing that the opener was very very loose and min-raised if I defended J7s. Basically if someone's opening like 60% of the time it's folded to them defending and going to town on them post flop on flops they're never going to hit hard is the best strat. The other possibility is if the villain was a really really big fish and I just wanted to play a pot with something reasonable. Defending J7s is not something I'd do regularly though, and I'd recommend you doing it even less at this point until you're confident in identifying the spots to be doing it (it's not going to be hugely +EV anyways, but could be significantly -EV if you pick the wrong spots to do it, or play those spots incorrectly post).

haha ya i don't expect to be able to play j7s oop , and im sure its not a normal thing for you and the thread is out of context likely. But I do feel like it plays better then qj or something vs a loose pass or agg oppenents mp range. So I wonder if its about not being dominated. But ya a lot of things are making sense but when to play back from the blind and 3bet with the air part of our range is something I have really read about or seen.

not sure about the hh ill try to find it but its a 2 plus 2 post of yours obv....might be old i don't remember