Richard~

It's funny, I think I disagree with every single thing you just said ^^'

pokerJAH

congrats on getting this far and getting a shot at 54k. Must be nice!

Out of position, playing this hand is kind of tough. You really need to hit the flop hard or you are likely folding to any bet if any over cards come. If you hit your set, you have a good chance of doubling up and making it to the final table (and cashing). Short handed 77 is a decent hand so I would likely call and see a flop. I still have plenty of chips if I miss the flop but at this late stage in the tournament, taking a chance to double up is likely worth it. No guts, no glory.

btw, how many total chips in play? not sure if many short stacks at the other table.

Hobbes

I'm thinking I push here but I need a bit more info?

What do you feel your table image is?
Are you concerned about the BB at all?
Are you willing to flip?

If your image is TAGish and you are not worried about the BB, then ship it.

Villain would be playing a pot for almost 1/2 his stack.
You take away his odds to call with overs as he would be calling 290k into a 390k pot (if I did my math right)

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Wetts1012

So this is one of those spots where I legitimately didnt know what to do.

As stated I think the worst possible play here is flatting. It is fold or shove.

So, I shove:

1) Villain is opening 26% of his range, and probably calling 8-10% of that if I ship. I figured theres alot of equity in shoving given that hes only calling 1/3 of his opening range. I want a fold, and this accomplishes that. If I get called, I flip for a top 2 stack in alot of cases.

2) I have a perfect reship stack (as Richard stated). If villain has some kind of sick metagame where he took this into account, so be it - hes better than me if thats the case.

3) Im playing standard 18/15 nittish. I think my image helps the situation.

4) I dont hate a fold here. I do think that if we dont play back when we are playing basically 20BB poker we are gonna get runover.

So I shipped, and prayed, and lost a flip to AQ. Again, I think I basically ran into the best of his opening range. That said, for some reason I dont feel too bad about it. I think I made the best possible play in this situation.

Was it a 10K-20K flip? Probably. sigh.

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Hobbes

Still like the shove. He folds way more than he calls here.

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actyper

Just looked at your post and I can't agree with you about your opponents chance of reshipping. 20+bbs is still ballsy to reship light final table bubble. I'm opening any 2 there if i'm mp.

Richard~

But he's opening into three reship stacks and a shortstack... If you were in villain's shoes, would you ever do this light in a tournament where you know they're competent enough to use their stacks? (plus you know that they think you're pushing the table around with a high pfr% )

Edit: Then again maybe we shouldn't assume villain is as good as you ^^'

Kristy_Sea

flatting is gross
flatting and leading a dry flop is more gross

I'd end up folding just because I'm really aggressive..I think it narrows his range significantly, but I think your justification for shoving in your situation is perfect.

(He usually has something good v. me and I'm not super-comfortable with 77 v. this tightened range.)

Wetts1012

I would open very wide in this spot. There is alot of metagame in this post and my feel at the time is this isnt the case. There are 1700+ people in this tournament, and alot from the satellite structure.

If we are in the 100Rebuy with the 250 best players around I absolutely agree with you.

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Richard~

alright then, if we're not giving villain that much credit I'd reship all day. It'd probably be a crying reship but he's folding out a lot in this spot if he's not adapting making it the perfect spot to push and try to win some chips

pokerJAH

if you just call, you are still in the tournament when an A or Q comes on the flop and you can get away from the hand with minimal damage to your stack. Push and pray for your tournament sounds great in theory; obviously you are regretting that decision now. In retrospect, you got your chips in ahead and got sucked out on. Still a great run.

DennisG

Why? I don't get how flatting and leading with dry is any different than shoving here.

We flat...flop comes...we hit our set, sweet... We shove a dry flop, he can't call without hitting...if he has hit...no different than if we got it in preflop....we are giving him two opportunities to fold...ugly flop...we can let go and still be in fine shape.

UL Wetts, but very nice run!

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Wetts1012

Not at all. Just posting for discussion. I play thishand the same way again.

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Wetts1012

Personally, the reason I dont like this is it widens his calling range. I would prefer a fold.

If he is opening K10, 79ss, A8, etc. He is calling a shove if he makes any connection. Ex K9 on a 943 board or even K9 on a J93 board.

Shoving pre his calling range is much narrower. And this is a hand I dont want action with!

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pokerJAH

would players be opening with these cards at this stage of a tournament with likely their largest payday within site? Personally I like the fold over the shove.