Why? I don't get how flatting and leading with dry is any different than shoving here.
We flat...flop comes...we hit our set, sweet... We shove a dry flop, he can't call without hitting...if he has hit...no different than if we got it in preflop....we are giving him two opportunities to fold...ugly flop...we can let go and still be in fine shape.
UL Wetts, but very nice run!
lol..you don't seem to realize that you went from "Set mining" to "I heart my 77" by leading.
if you your 77 why are you letting him see a flop in position for free with gtd. overcards? And worse still, if you insist on going to a flop with your "Super Sexy Seven Seven" ...Why aren't you maximizing the amount of chips in the pot by say..C/Ring his c-bet?
The answer is that your 77 isn't that sexy. Maybe you could argue with aces or kings for a pf call, but 77 is illogical.
lol..you don't seem to realize that you went from "Set mining" to "I heart my 77" by leading.
if you your 77 why are you letting him see a flop in position for free with gtd. overcards? And worse still, if you insist on going to a flop with your "Super Sexy Seven Seven" ...Why aren't you maximizing the amount of chips in the pot by say..C/Ring his c-bet?
The answer is that your 77 isn't that sexy. Maybe you could argue with aces or kings for a pf call, but 77 is illogical.
I don't "heart" anything here....we have a valid hand with 6 players... This far in, I am looking to get to the top. If we hit our set, fantastic...if the flop is ugly, we can let it go and still have plenty of game to carry on...we are still middle of the pack...
When the dry flop comes, who gives a shit what our cards are? Granted, we do need something of value to make the call to start with...but, He is ONLY calling if he hits. How often does he hit?
If you want to play by the "set mining rules" no, we shouldn't be here...but poker is a game of situations is it not? I feel like this is a situation we need to take a stab at...he is giving us a pretty cheap shot at a set and likely steal. We are 6 handed..we need the blinds every bit as much as the next guy..
Don't get me wrong, I am not at all against the shove, just looking at validation for a safer "look" at the flop. I don't think flatting is a bad move. Apparently I need to learn more.
Wetts....while I know we shouldn't be results oriented...what was the flop?
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I don't "heart" anything here....we have a valid hand with 6 players... This far in, I am looking to get to the top. If we hit our set, fantastic...if the flop is ugly, we can let it go and still have plenty of game to carry on...we are still middle of the pack...
When the dry flop comes, who gives a shit what our cards are? Granted, we do need something of value to make the call to start with...but, He is ONLY calling if he hits. How often does he hit?
If you want to play by the "set mining rules" no, we shouldn't be here...but poker is a game of situations is it not? I feel like this is a situation we need to take a stab at...he is giving us a pretty cheap shot at a set and likely steal. We are 6 handed..we need the blinds every bit as much as the next guy..
Don't get me wrong, I am not at all against the shove, just looking at validation for a safer "look" at the flop. I don't think flatting is a bad move. Apparently I need to learn more.
Wetts....while I know we shouldn't be results oriented...what was the flop?
Yah, let's take a flop OOP and play the guessing game against a strong loose agressive opponent with more chips than us who is obviously very hard to range up. Any more good ideas? ._.
(What do we do when the flop comes 228 and he has the 89hh? Not to mention my personal favorite, flop comes A high and he bets the QJ airball)
would players be opening with these cards at this stage of a tournament with likely their largest payday within site? Personally I like the fold over the shove.
My open range would be this wide, so I have to assume his is.
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Yah, let's take a flop OOP and play the guessing game against a strong loose agressive opponent with more chips than us who is obviously very hard to range up. Any more good ideas? ._.
(What do we do when the flop comes 228 and he has the 89hh?)
The same thing we do when A:we shove and run into KK or JJ or AA...etc.. or B: flop comes 9j5, we shove and he has aa, kk, jj, etc... or C: we fold and don't see any cards for the next 30 hands and are forced into playing A9o.
We go home, we get over it.
What happens when we do get a 7 on the flop? We possibly double up and are in great position to win. Flop comes 9j5...we shove and he folds. we can shove any number of flops and he can fold...
Good ideas? Yeah, I have lots..lol..loosen the string on your panties and play some cards..If you want to be condescending, I can too.
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I am not on tilt, you're just a f*cking idiot.
I am not averse to being wrong, just don't call me an idiot while explaining...lol
Like I said, I obviously have much more learning to do...this could explain
my spike...downhill slope...spike...downhill slope..etc in my graph...Need to learn more about these "weak" spots.
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I am not on tilt, you're just a f*cking idiot.
I am not averse to being wrong, just don't call me an idiot while explaining...lol
Like I said, I obviously have much more learning to do...this could explain
my spike...downhill slope...spike...downhill slope..etc in my graph...Need to learn more about these "weak" spots.
Dont worry everyone (Even Kristy) just has a boner cause we are having an actual poker discussion.
continue......
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Last edited by Wetts1012; Jan 20,2010 at 02:35 PM.
(What do we do when the flop comes 228 and he has the 89hh? Not to mention my personal favorite, flop comes A high and he bets the QJ airball)
Now that we have edited here..
A high flop is ugly for us..we let it go, carry on. We are looking for a dry flop or a 7... What have we really lost? Still middle of the pack, still lots of game to go...
man, I am thick headed today.
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your 77 why are you letting him see a flop in position for free with gtd. overcards? And worse still, if you insist on going to a flop with your "Super Sexy Seven Seven" ...Why aren't you maximizing the amount of chips in the pot by say..C/Ring his c-bet?
