AK early in an MTT

Hobbes · Jan 21,2010, 06:01 PM

Pretty draw heavy though to try a check raise. I'm prob doing the same w a set.

epic_donk · Jan 21,2010, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by compuease

+1 this.... Maybe this works on your $2-3 tournies but just plain dumb higher... Talk about overplaying AK.. methinks the so called pro needs a big demotion.... Down to complete rookie, anybody disagree?

I like your line Hobbes, don't think it's a set as he woulda gone for the chk/raise likely. almost all do... Maybe A,10, maybe flush draw. Gotta go with your gut here..

$2-3 dollar tournies, please...

it just drives me wild that he gets sucked out on a,10 or a possible set with a dominating hand preflop...

in all honesty I woulda played it the same way, just wanted to generate a little discussion.

Hobbes · Jan 21,2010, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by philliivey

LOL, I was trying to go for worst answer

I did say "yet". It'll be tough but you can do it.

Wetts1012 · Jan 21,2010, 06:03 PM

I dont know.

This is a perfect board to lead a set.

Villain played exactly the same way I would if I had a hand like 77/1010.

GTA Poker · Jan 21,2010, 06:10 PM

Lol at those that don't have fed on ignore.

I hate getting it in with 1 pair this deep. I think early in a tourney it is the same as a cash game with deep stacks and I would never get all in with 1 pair here. I definitely flat the flop and reevaluate on the turn. You have position so make use of it.

darbday · Jan 21,2010, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Wetts1012

Villain has been described as good, tight and agressive.

What hands in his range that 3bet jams this flop are you ahead of?

You chop AK, crushed by A10, A7, sets, flipping with 89dd. Maybe you beat AQ/AJ occasionally.

You think hes doing this with 89off? KK? flush draw? Acerag? With his image?

Doubt it.

ya i think kk aq ak, if hes that good i think he would play the set slower, but im playing lower buy in games, if the read is correct its a lay down, but i try not to give people to much credit.

Wetts1012 · Jan 21,2010, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by darbday

ya i think kk aq ak, if hes that good i think he would play the set slower, but im playing lower buy in games, if the read is correct its a lay down, but i try not to give people to much credit.

Look at the action preflop. Villain is last to act behind a 6BB raise and 2 calls.

A good TAG has KK or AK exactly never. There is always a 3bet here.

And hes definately not shoving KK on that flop to a Hobbes reraise.

Tilter · Jan 26,2010, 03:14 AM

I could see villain donklead bet inducing a raise so s/he can 3bet jam a monster draw. As you do not hold the Ad, an AdXd hand could easily be in villains range as well as other hands like 9d8d. But villain could also be betting a hand like 77 and possibly TT (altho a good player would raise to iso the limper in position post-flop) because they don't want to let a freecard off on a draw heavy board.

For you question about jamming to the initial donk lead, the reason you raise is to allow the villain to jam wider than their calling range is against your jam.

Did you considering flatting, because like how you feel now, when you get 3 bet jammed out, you feel like puking a bit.

Imo, raise with a plan. And if my plan was to raise, I'd be calling it off.

HammerDad · Jan 26,2010, 03:53 PM

Not sure if anyone thinks along these lines, but I sometimes play my big draws this way.

He could have KQ/KJ/QJd or possibly even 89d, considering the limp call. Given the lower blind level, all those hands are playable to a standard raise.

Edit - Just above Above's post and agree, there is also a good chance you are up against the nut flush draw, him limp/calling with like A9/AJd.

darbday · Jan 26,2010, 03:58 PM

are we waiting for the result in this or, its not getting posted?

epic_donk · Jan 26,2010, 04:09 PM

shoving still ftw.

Hobbes · Jan 26,2010, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by darbday

are we waiting for the result in this or, its not getting posted?

Timebanked and folded. Figured I would find a better spot as I was still deep (~90BB). Unfortunately went card dead or kept showing up with 2nd best hand.

DennisG · Jan 26,2010, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Tilter

I could see villain donklead bet inducing a raise so s/he can 3bet jam a monster draw. As you do not hold the Ad, an AdXd hand could easily be in villains range as well as other hands like 9d8d.

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Originally Posted by HammerDad

Not sure if anyone thinks along these lines, but I sometimes play my big draws this way.

He could have KQ/KJ/QJd or possibly even 89d, considering the limp call. Given the lower blind level, all those hands are playable to a standard raise.

Edit - Just above Above's post and agree, there is also a good chance you are up against the nut flush draw, him limp/calling with like A9/AJd.

Is my perception of TAG way out to lunch? I don't see KQ, KJ, QJ, A9 suited or otherwise, limp-calling here oop preflop....

HammerDad · Jan 26,2010, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DennisG

Is my perception of TAG way out to lunch? I don't see KQ, KJ, QJ, A9 suited or otherwise, limp-calling here oop preflop....

I consider myself pretty tag, and I would definitely limp-call with 98 suited or any of the above hands.

1. if he is good, or if it was me, I feel my flop play is good enough to play these sorts of hands knowing that we aren't playing for 1 pair, but for strong draws. Ax/KQ/KJ/QJ/98d are either a slight favourite or barely a 52/48 dog, with the worst odds being for Ax as he is already dominated as maybe a 55/45 dog;

2. calling a standard raise at this blind level the raise isn't going to cause us substantial damage to our if we miss the flop and have to fold to a cbet; and

3. if he was going to be heads up with OP, and feels OP is also fairly TAG, 98suited should definitely be in his range. If villain feels OP range of hands is A10 or better, or most PP, playing suited connectors is the optimum hand to play, as the chances of being dominated are reduced; and

edit 4 - there are lots of implied odds with the other limpers in the pot.

I am not solely suggesting that villain had 98 or what not compared to a set or 2 pair already. But I would think it should be in his range. I am leaning towards hands like QJd or 1010 personally.

OP could jam there having top pair, a back door straight and a back door flush draw to the second nut flush if he is against a set. But I wouldn't jam as I am not going to jam as my hand is pretty much a bluff.

I would call flop reevaluate turn.

DennisG · Jan 26,2010, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by HammerDad

I consider myself pretty tag, and I would definitely limp-call with 98 suited or any of the above hands.

if you are going to limp-call...is it not better to raise oop?

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1. if he is good, or if it was me, I feel my flop play is good enough to play these sorts of hands knowing that we aren't playing for 1 pair, but for strong draws. Ax/KQ/KJ/QJ/98d are either a slight favourite or barely a 52/48 dog, with the worst odds being for Ax as he is already dominated as maybe a 55/45 dog;

hands like Ax, KQ, KJ, QJ are easily dominated by our TAG villians range are they not? Which is why we don't play them out of position

I personally like 89s & 910s as well, when in position..

Am I putting too much emphasis on position this early on in the game with stacks this deep?