AQ debate part 500: vs TAG reg......

Vekked · Nov 25,2011, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard~

yes, I think about it from villains perspective and after doing that I don't have reason enough to think he's metagaming the table to the point where he's doing this with 33 to look strong

I think you might be giving him too much credit. Maybe he just 3x's everything and he's not thinking about why. Why do you assume he's at all good?

Richard~ · Nov 25,2011, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Vekked

I think you might be giving him too much credit. Maybe he just 3x's everything and he's not thinking about why. Why do you assume he's at all good?

dunno, just assumed so since it was stated that he was a reg. Also it seems like not even noobs 3x anymore

Vekked · Nov 25,2011, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard~

dunno, just assumed so since it was stated that he was a reg. Also it seems like not even noobs 3x anymore

Just because he plays a lot doesn't mean he's good. The fast that he's 3x'ing with that stack indicates he's clearly not good.

Richard~ · Nov 25,2011, 07:27 PM

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Just because he plays a lot doesn't mean he's good. The fast that he's 3x'ing with that stack indicates he's clearly not good.

very true, but the fact that he's a regular probably means he's a thinking player so I think there's a reason in his mind for 3xing, and I don't think it is cause he wants to loosen up

Edit: and yes that is a big assumption but it's how my limited experience is telling me to read it

Vekked · Nov 26,2011, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard~

very true, but the fact that he's a regular probably means he's a thinking player so I think there's a reason in his mind for 3xing, and I don't think it is cause he wants to loosen up

Edit: and yes that is a big assumption but it's how my limited experience is telling me to read it

Right, I think at higher stakes that might apply because you can assume reg + higher stakes = somewhat winning/thinking/competent. At these stakes I think there are tons of regs with huge leaks and might be putting some thought into hands but maybe not that much overall. I think by virtue of him 3x'ing in a spot where he should never be 3x'ing, he's probably not thinking that much. I would generally subscribe to jamming in this spot and seeing what he shows up with and taking notes rather folding since we can't conclusively say what he's doing with the 3x, and it's good to find out this stuff early when it's someone you play a bunch.

darbday · Nov 26,2011, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Vekked

Right, I think at higher stakes that might apply because you can assume reg + higher stakes = somewhat winning/thinking/competent. At these stakes I think there are tons of regs with huge leaks and might be putting some thought into hands but maybe not that much overall. I think by virtue of him 3x'ing in a spot where he should never be 3x'ing, he's probably not thinking that much. I would generally subscribe to jamming in this spot and seeing what he shows up with and taking notes rather folding since we can't conclusively say what he's doing with the 3x, and it's good to find out this stuff early when it's someone you play a bunch.

but when we analyzed this spot with did it with the assumptions i gave right? you guys are talking about something other than this situation?

haha i hate Internet....someone tell me that we agree in this spot for this thread villain is nutted 95%+ of the time....cause if we don't agree for this thread then we have a giant miscommunication ....

Richard~ · Nov 26,2011, 01:09 PM

we are talking about something else than you started the thread with but it's pretty interesting.

I definitely agree with vekked that if we play with this guy more than once we should put it in to try to figure out how he's thinking. I'm not completely convinced about the higher stakes + reg logic though. Wouldn't a regular at higher stakes assume people will read this type of bet as nutted and don't do it with his strongest hands? Or am I overthinking everything again? that's how I would think in villains position at higher stakes anyway, I'd only 2,3x this stack UTG with my strongest hands at low stakes

darbday · Nov 26,2011, 01:17 PM

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we are talking about something else than you started the thread with but it's pretty interesting.

phew

darbday · Nov 26,2011, 02:55 PM

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Just because he plays a lot doesn't mean he's good. The fast that he's 3x'ing with that stack indicates he's clearly not balanced

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i might be wrong but isn't it really just a tarp?

darbday · Nov 26,2011, 03:00 PM

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very true, but the fact that he's a regular probably means he's a thinking player so I think there's a reason in his mind for 3xing, and

its more because hes a robot and has a system....he can't raise smaller because the whole table will flat (prob not what we're suggesting) and he doesn't want to shove because his hand is too strong...

darbday · Nov 26,2011, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Vekked

Right, I think at higher stakes that might apply because you can assume reg + higher stakes = somewhat winning/thinking/competent. At these stakes I think there are tons of regs with huge leaks and might be putting some thought into hands but maybe not that much overall. I think by virtue of him 3x'ing in a spot where he should never be 3x'ing, he's probably not thinking that much. I would generally subscribe to jamming in this spot and seeing what he shows up with and taking notes rather folding since we can't conclusively say what he's doing with the 3x, and it's good to find out this stuff early when it's someone you play a bunch.

yes i am in line with all this...and definitely take notes on all regs like this...not that i take -ev spots just for notes..but im happy to take a marginal showdown on someone i expect to play everyday if i think i can learn about a piece of their game...