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Nov 16,2011, 09:59 PM
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#1 | | Full PFC Member | check up on a few hands in a $3 mtt
Poker Stars, $3 + $0.30 NL Hold'em Tournament, 4,000/8,000 Blinds, 1,000 Ante, 8 Players LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
Hero (BB): 655,240
UTG: 197,767
UTG+1: 202,759
MP1: 210,314
MP2: 80,844
CO: 106,466
BTN: 341,833
SB: 241,777 Pre-Flop: (20,000) 2  6 dealt to Hero (BB)
2 folds, MP1 calls 8,000, 3 folds, SB calls 4,000, Hero checks Flop: (32,000) J  A K (3 Players)
SB checks, Hero bets 12,800, MP1 raises to 32,000, SB folds, Hero raises to 646,240 and is All-In Poker Stars, $3 + $0.30 NL Hold'em Tournament, 6,000/12,000 Blinds, 1,500 Ante, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
Hero (UTG): 164,373
CO: 293,784
BTN: 211,396
SB: 454,556
BB: 912,891
Pre-Flop: (25,500) J Q dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to 162,873 and is All-In, (snapshove, right?) Poker Stars, $3 + $0.30 NL Hold'em Tournament, 7,000/14,000 Blinds, 1,750 Ante, 5 Players
Hero (UTG): 384,825
CO: 256,067
BTN: 175,184
SB: 318,533
BB: 902,391
Pre-Flop: (29,750) 3 3 dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to 28,000, 3 folds, BB calls 14,000
Flop: (71,750) 7 4 6 (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets 28,700, BB raises to 70,000, Hero folds
should I check back here and hope to showdown cheap?
Poker Stars, $3 + $0.30 NL Hold'em Tournament, 10,000/20,000 Blinds, 2,500 Ante, 3 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
Hero (SB): 1,198,736
BB: 629,566
BTN: 208,698
Pre-Flop: (37,500) 2 7 dealt to Hero (SB)
BTN folds, Hero raises to 40,000, BB calls 20,000
Flop: (87,500) 2 4 4 (2 Players)
Hero bets 43,750, BB calls 43,750
Turn: (175,000) 7 (2 Players)
Hero bets 80,000, BB calls 80,000
River: (335,000) K (2 Players)
Hero checks, BB bets 100,000, Hero calls 100,000
i was check calling any non flush rivers. ok?
Last edited by reibs; Nov 16,2011 at 10:05 PM.
Reason: pretty sure these are all FT hands...
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Nov 16,2011, 10:09 PM
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#2 | | Inhumano Forboon! | Quote:
Originally Posted by reibs  Poker Stars, $3 + $0.30 NL Hold'em Tournament, 4,000/8,000 Blinds, 1,000 Ante, 8 Players LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
Hero (BB): 655,240
UTG: 197,767
UTG+1: 202,759
MP1: 210,314
MP2: 80,844
CO: 106,466
BTN: 341,833
SB: 241,777 Pre-Flop: (20,000) 2 6 dealt to Hero (BB)
2 folds, MP1 calls 8,000, 3 folds, SB calls 4,000, Hero checks Flop: (32,000) J A K (3 Players)
SB checks, Hero bets 12,800, MP1 raises to 32,000, SB folds, Hero raises to 646,240 and is All-In
| no i don't like this and its kinda like the hand from the tlb i posted.....i think its a mistake but maybe not too big....villain has alot of better flush draw in his range among sets with redraws...sometimes i will check call and try and get a price to call sometimes i will just check fold knowing im always behind...
but i dunno its only 10bbs in a multi way pot with antes so it can't be that bad if it is.....
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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.
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Nov 16,2011, 10:13 PM
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#3 | | Inhumano Forboon! | Quote:
Originally Posted by reibs Poker Stars, $3 + $0.30 NL Hold'em Tournament, 6,000/12,000 Blinds, 1,500 Ante, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
Hero (UTG): 164,373
CO: 293,784
BTN: 211,396
SB: 454,556
BB: 912,891
Pre-Flop: (25,500) J Q dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to 162,873 and is All-In, (snapshove, right?)
| imo
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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.
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Nov 16,2011, 10:17 PM
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#4 | | Inhumano Forboon! | Quote:
Originally Posted by reibs Poker Stars, $3 + $0.30 NL Hold'em Tournament, 7,000/14,000 Blinds, 1,750 Ante, 5 Players
Hero (UTG): 384,825
CO: 256,067
BTN: 175,184
SB: 318,533
BB: 902,391
Pre-Flop: (29,750) 3 3 dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to 28,000, 3 folds, BB calls 14,000
Flop: (71,750) 7 4 6 (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets 28,700, BB raises to 70,000, Hero folds
should I check back here and hope to showdown cheap?
| you mean check the flop? i don't think so you did your job he has a better hand now so we are good...
however on a board like this..he may c/r/f alot ...
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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.
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Nov 16,2011, 10:25 PM
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#5 | | Inhumano Forboon! | Quote:
Originally Posted by reibs
Poker Stars, $3 + $0.30 NL Hold'em Tournament, 10,000/20,000 Blinds, 2,500 Ante, 3 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
Hero (SB): 1,198,736
BB: 629,566
BTN: 208,698
Pre-Flop: (37,500) 2 7 dealt to Hero (SB)
BTN folds, Hero raises to 40,000, BB calls 20,000
Flop: (87,500) 2 4 4 (2 Players)
Hero bets 43,750, BB calls 43,750
Turn: (175,000) 7 (2 Players)
Hero bets 80,000, BB calls 80,000
River: (335,000) K (2 Players)
Hero checks, BB bets 100,000, Hero calls 100,000
i was check calling any non flush rivers. ok?
| how are you in a spot where opening atc is profitable 
i think you played fine but pro not opening it oop unless i have a giant reason...
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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.
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Nov 17,2011, 06:46 AM
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#6 | | Full PFC Member | Quote:
Originally Posted by darbday no i don't like this and its kinda like the hand from the tlb i posted.....i think its a mistake but maybe not too big....villain has alot of better flush draw in his range among sets with redraws...sometimes i will check call and try and get a price to call sometimes i will just check fold knowing im always behind...
but i dunno its only 10bbs in a multi way pot with antes so it can't be that bad if it is..... | Ya, looking back at this one I didn't like it either. Guess in game I felt that his limping pre range shouldn't really be all that strongly connected with this board. Which turned out to be a bad assumption. He ended up limping AA in this one  - not that the results really matter, cus like you said I think his range for limping pre, followed by checkraising this flop is actually quite strong. This guy (if I recall correctly) wasnt getting too out of line, but like this is the final table so I think he is prob capable of bluffing this sometimes?...
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Nov 17,2011, 06:48 AM
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#7 | | Full PFC Member | Quote:
Originally Posted by darbday you mean check the flop? i don't think so you did your job he has a better hand now so we are good...
however on a board like this..he may c/r/f alot ... | Yah wasnt sure here. Felt kinda bad to bet fold this, when I feel I have some showdown
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Nov 17,2011, 06:55 AM
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#8 | | Full PFC Member | Quote:
Originally Posted by darbday how are you in a spot where opening atc is profitable
i think you played fine but pro not opening it oop unless i have a giant reason... | Ahhhh, yes the old 'give em a walk' 3 handed. Not fond of it unless I have a bb who has shown he will play back at me. This was from a month ago, and I dont have my hud stats avail right now, but my guess is that I had history w him in these spots throughout the tourny and he showed he was folding a lot to my steals from sb. If he lets me do it a few times in a row, I just start doin it ~atc until he adjusts. Which is usually not happening in <$5 mtts. Maybe not a good idea, but I seem to recall a wise man on this forum once said he has not given a walk since 2005? Ever since then I have been doin this 
I think the fact that its 3 handed, I have a big chiplead, and the shorty folded already, deters the bb from playing this hand even more. So if he doesn't fold I can pretty comfortably get away without much harm done unless I smash the flop.
Last edited by reibs; Nov 17,2011 at 06:56 AM.
Reason: Thanks for the feedback, I will go through some more HHs tonite prob
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Nov 17,2011, 08:50 AM
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#9 | | Inhumano Forboon! | Quote:
Originally Posted by reibs but like this is the final table so I think he is prob capable of bluffing this sometimes?... | yup but you are bluff here....
still tho ask others they may play em all different..
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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.
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Nov 17,2011, 09:03 AM
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#10 | | Inhumano Forboon! | Quote:
Originally Posted by reibs Yah wasnt sure here. Felt kinda bad to bet fold this, when I feel I have some showdown | i still wonder if you're referring to calling his raise and then seeing a showdown...his check raise range is stronger than your 33....you have showdown value...but we use that for different reason than what your thinking here I believe.....
In other words 33 has showdown value vs. alot of situations but here I think we are looking at...
Hand 0: 38.506% { 3d3s }
Hand 1: 61.494% { 44+, AQs+, A8s-A4s, KQs, 98s, 87s, 76s, 64s+,
54s, AKo, A8o-A4o, KQo }
i dunno something like that....typically that is...he is ahead and you are drawing to a three or a 5.....
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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.
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Nov 17,2011, 09:11 AM
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#11 | | Inhumano Forboon! | Quote:
Originally Posted by reibs Ahhhh, yes the old 'give em a walk' 3 handed. Not fond of it unless I have a bb who has shown he will play back at me. This was from a month ago, and I dont have my hud stats avail right now, but my guess is that I had history w him in these spots throughout the tourny and he showed he was folding a lot to my steals from sb. If he lets me do it a few times in a row, I just start doin it ~atc until he adjusts. Which is usually not happening in <$5 mtts. Maybe not a good idea, but I seem to recall a wise man on this forum once said he has not given a walk since 2005? Ever since then I have been doin this
I think the fact that its 3 handed, I have a big chiplead, and the shorty folded already, deters the bb from playing this hand even more. So if he doesn't fold I can pretty comfortably get away without much harm done unless I smash the flop. | its all true....but I usually toss 72o out of principle ( thats a total lie tho)....but you have to be sure hes not calling you ip alot...
i wouldn't be opening atc vs alot of players because they mistakenly flat a lot....so if im going to say I never give walks...i ll raise something like.... Attachment 950
and ya it could be wider but that range will get you in a lot less trouble....if you filter your stats by position you'll find you lose the most money out of the small blind....not you...but everyone.... ( and you :P)
also of course not raising atc and folding sometimes will help keep our villains range tight which might be important but i'm not saying it is....but theres def a balance to be had....
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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.
Last edited by darbday; Feb 01,2012 at 10:37 PM.
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Nov 17,2011, 09:33 AM
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#12 | | Full PFC Member | Quote:
Originally Posted by darbday i still wonder if you're referring to calling his raise and then seeing a showdown...his check raise range is stronger than your 33....you have showdown value...but we use that for different reason than what your thinking here I believe.....
In other words 33 has showdown value vs. alot of situations but here I think we are looking at...
Hand 0: 38.506% { 3d3s }
Hand 1: 61.494% { 44+, AQs+, A8s-A4s, KQs, 98s, 87s, 76s, 64s+,
54s, AKo, A8o-A4o, KQo }
i dunno something like that....typically that is...he is ahead and you are drawing to a three or a 5..... | No I was referring to checking back the flop rather than cbet. Which would keep a lot of his Ax hands in that I have beat. But im guessing its more profitable to just cbet/fold than check back flop and have to guess when he leads the turn?
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Nov 17,2011, 09:41 AM
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#13 | | Full PFC Member | Quote:
Originally Posted by darbday also of course not raising atc and folding sometimes will help keep our villains range tight which might be important but i'm not saying it is....but theres def a balance to be had.... | Yeah I think I just felt like three handed with these stack sizes, this wasnt as important as if it were earlier on with a full table? But that could be totally wrong way to look at it.
I feel ya on the balancing though.... Usually I would muck this without any reads, and would open somewhat similar to your above range. But I think this guy was folding like everytime I opened from sb up to this point.
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Nov 17,2011, 09:41 AM
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#14 | | Inhumano Forboon! | Quote:
Originally Posted by reibs No I was referring to checking back the flop rather than cbet. Which would keep a lot of his Ax hands in that I have beat. But im guessing its more profitable to just cbet/fold than check back flop and have to guess when he leads the turn? | yes and its technically a mistake to give him infinity odds to draw with hands like overcards and the like ....
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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.
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