darbday

does this say that if they call too wide you need to remove some non ex hands?


but we can only do this vs regs we have history on right? like even 100 isn't gonna give use much better read than the nash shoves no? how many hands do think you can make adjustments with? or do we just have to see 1 wider call? perhaps this is easier at high stakes because there is more regs and a slighty smaller field?

what types of hands do you add?

taking away a couple of hands for clumping, and adding a few for blinds adjustments is likely....but also quite insignificant im sure

messed up man


so are your shove charts in your head then....or mostly in your head...or do you actually make them out for this kinda thing?

thx for your time.

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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.

Vekked

1) If they're calling too wide, yea remove the bottom of the range b/c it becomes -EV and doesn't really add more EV to the top of your range cuz they're just gonna call the same anyways right?

2) When we're estimating calling ranges we defff don't need exact ranges. Sure you can get a bit closer w/ regs you know well and have some notes on what they've shown up with in diff spots or what their tendencies are, but generally you're gonna have something like tight/average/loose. Just generalize and categorize, just as we see a 40/10 and think fish, or a 18/16 and think reg.

3) I make charts for all types of situations. It's much harder to get a grasp of all the variables, trends, and possible situations if you're trying to remember them all.

darbday

took me this long to clear my head and get back to this.....k i think your describing 'exploitative' play here.....(and forgive me if my words aren't quite right).

anyways, if villain(s) calls too wide we tighten up to 'exploit' right? but they can't exploit us by calling wide? they can't exploit us at all if we are shoving an unexploitable range?

I think what happened here is we skipped the solidity of un-exploitable shove definition and went into exploitative shoves.....which is great, but i need to know that i understand the non ex shove first.

in other words....i don't know if im confused on the definition of non ex shove , or just on what you are saying which isn't non ex shoves.

so thats first......

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2nd I've never heard ev being talked about in this aspect, but now ive found some threads with it, and i notice its charted on the holdemresources.net beta version.

but shoving the bottom of the unexploitable range, must be +ev....otherwise we would fold it?

That is....our 'hand'......vs their range...which is defined because of our range....is 0 ev if our opponent calls perfectly and +ev if our opponent calls less or more than perfect.

the assumption here is that the villain can't change his range vs our hand.

taking into account the amount of blinds we get when villain folds plus the equity our hand has vs the villains calling range we expect we are at worst neutral ev?

or is it?

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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.