Vekked

I don't know what stakes you play in live cash but there's a good chance that 95% of the players in a $2 MTT are in the bottom 10% of players in your games.

GTA Poker

What I mean by this line being exploitable is that a half decent villain's range includes sets and straights so calling a large bet on any non-flush river in a bloated pot with 1 pair isn't great. Can't a decent villain take the above line and overbet/shove the river when the flush misses with a set or straight? I shove K8 here all day on the river. You are playing 120+bb effective with TP average kicker...is this a great play vs a random villain? Is your line skewed heavily by the BI?

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GTA Poker

Ok, but I think you said you take the same line in $100 bi mtts...certainly those players are better?

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Vekked

With the FD out there most villains c/r sets before the river, I rarely expect them to slowplay with the board getting pretty coordinated. Also they probably have <1 combo of 54 by the turn on average and if they have more then their overall range will be wide enough that we can easily bet for value vs. their pairs/draws.

If you shove K8 here on the river that's fine but it doesn't make betting bad at all. If you have K8 you have at least K9 and KT as well, and most of the time you're going to be losing money to KJ and not be making it back when you hit your 8 and shove the river. Our kicker isn't very average when we think the only better kicker out there is KQ since AK usually 3-bets.

Yes my line is obv skewed heavily by the BI in the sense that I'd take this line almost always at this level but I'd still do it vs. 80% of players in $100 MTTs. Maybe in 1k's online it'd be more like 20% of players or something. Obviously have to make assumptions about the avg villain depending on the stakes especially online.

trigs

i appreciate this debate. thanks guys.