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Old Jan 15,2012, 08:21 PM   #1
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Did I miss out on value?

I was just wondering if you guys can give comments on the line I took and if I could have gotten more value with that i assume is the best hand. I didn't have any specific reads on villian, was only at that table for 1 orbit

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 2.2 Tournament, 20/40 Blinds (9 handed) - PokerStars Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.com

MP3 (t1955)
CO (t2785)
Button (t2830)
SB (t2293)
BB (t2970)
UTG (t7350)
Hero (UTG+1) (t6035)
MP1 (t2840)
MP2 (t3000)

Hero's M: 100.58

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K, K
UTG bets t120, Hero raises to t380, 7 folds, UTG calls t260

Flop: (t820) 5, 2, 3 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets t420, UTG calls t420

Turn: (t1660) 6 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: (t1660) 8 (2 players)
UTG bets t830, Hero ?

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Old Jan 16,2012, 02:38 AM   #2
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I was just wondering if you guys can give comments on the line I took and if I could have gotten more value with that i assume is the best hand. I didn't have any specific reads on villian, was only at that table for 1 orbit

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 2.2 Tournament, 20/40 Blinds (9 handed) - PokerStars Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.com

MP3 (t1955)
CO (t2785)
Button (t2830)
SB (t2293)
BB (t2970)
UTG (t7350)
Hero (UTG+1) (t6035)
MP1 (t2840)
MP2 (t3000)

Hero's M: 100.58

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K, K
UTG bets t120, Hero raises to t380, 7 folds, UTG calls t260

Flop: (t820) 5, 2, 3 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets t420, UTG calls t420

Turn: (t1660) 6 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: (t1660) 8 (2 players)
UTG bets t830, Hero ?

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calls

You need to give your thoughts on all streets and tell us what you think his range is given the action to learn much from the hand.
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Old Jan 16,2012, 08:31 AM   #3
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calls

You need to give your thoughts on all streets and tell us what you think his range is given the action to learn much from the hand.
thanx GTA, this is my first time ever posting something like this, i will try and give you guys my mental process through this hand from my perspective.

Preflop: I have kings, so I feel pretty good about my hand. Pretty easy/standard 3 bet imo (is my sizing ok?)

flop: Feel ok about the flop, I have an over pair, I bet small for value, hoping to induce a float from villian (is this stupid?)

turn: I don't really like the diamond that peels off. I feel like the flush draws are certainly in his range. I check it back for pot control, and to disguise my hand a little bit. I still have an over pair to the board (should I keep firing?)

river: Now a straight has to be in villians range. i still have an over pair but he could have a 7 or a 4 and have me crushed lol


I find at this level alot of villians don't respect/know the value of 3/4 betting from players that have position on them. they just know that they have a pretty hand and wanna see the flop, and they don't care about their stack size. I see players all day long just flat like 60% of their stack jut to see the flop then c/f, its just so LOL

sorry this is long, id appreciate feed back on my thought process and if you guys would take a different line.

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Old Jan 17,2012, 12:51 PM   #4
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Old Jan 17,2012, 01:28 PM   #5
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I think you played it just fine and didn't miss out on any value :P
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Old Jan 17,2012, 01:32 PM   #6
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every street im mashing the bet button and trying to get all my and villains chips in the pot.
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Old Jan 17,2012, 03:23 PM   #7
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every street im mashing the bet button and trying to get all my and villains chips in the pot.
is this one of those "fuck you I got kings im not folding" hands?
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Old Jan 17,2012, 03:37 PM   #8
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I think going for 3 streets here is much too greedy
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Old Jan 17,2012, 04:01 PM   #9
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I think going for 3 streets here is much too greedy
how about 1 or 2 massive streets then?
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Old Jan 17,2012, 04:11 PM   #10
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I think going for 3 streets here is much too greedy
This is a $2 tournament. It's not too greedy.

I'd bet the turn and if he called, I'd bet the river.

As played, however, I guess I'd just call the river.
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Old Jan 17,2012, 04:15 PM   #11
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I was just wondering if you guys can give comments on the line I took and if I could have gotten more value with that i assume is the best hand. I didn't have any specific reads on villian, was only at that table for 1 orbit

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 2.2 Tournament, 20/40 Blinds (9 handed) - PokerStars Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.com

MP3 (t1955)
CO (t2785)
Button (t2830)
SB (t2293)
BB (t2970)
UTG (t7350)
Hero (UTG+1) (t6035)
MP1 (t2840)
MP2 (t3000)

Hero's M: 100.58

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K, K
UTG bets t120, Hero raises to t380, 7 folds, UTG calls t260

Flop: (t820) 5, 2, 3 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets t420, UTG calls t420

Turn: (t1660) 6 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: (t1660) 8 (2 players)
UTG bets t830, Hero ?

first time using HH converter

so what happened?
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Old Jan 17,2012, 06:51 PM   #12
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I guess i can tell.

I won the pot KK>JJ probably could have gotten more value on the river, but with the line I took, I guess i'm ok with it.

I was interested on hearing how others would have played it.

thanx guys
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Old Jan 17,2012, 07:03 PM   #13
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Good stuff. Didnt mean to pressure ya. I just like to hear the outcome....
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Old Jan 17,2012, 07:18 PM   #14
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if you want more value the place to get it is the turn, not the river
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Old Jan 18,2012, 02:00 PM   #15
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I play the hand pretty much the same way.

I don't mind checking the turn given we have the Kd in our hand and if we are behind to a set or flush, I have a redraw and I don't want to get shoved off the hand.

I call the river. Raising would be bad as there are very few hands we beat that call.
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