darbday

gl

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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.

Richard~

I'd probably just fold pre if 9handed

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DennisG

I am glad there are much better players than I on here to answer these...

From the OP I would be 2Xing and calling the shorts...it's final table, first hand...people tend to tighten the first couple hands while feeling everyone out. Granted I play more guaranteed mtt's than 180's...so possibly the dynamics are different...but still..

I personally don't think utg raises are as strong (by regs) as they used to be.

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Vekked

Really depends who the deepstacks are, I would def min/call some % as well. If the deepstacks are nitty randoms then probably min/call is best. If they're gonna be spazzing and making you fold the best hand some % of the time, then ramjam.

Richard~

I don't quite understand shoving this, is it standard to play this hand because there are so many short stacks?

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Vekked

Basically yes. If you have 15BB but a bunch of ppl after you have 5BB it's more like you're shoving 10-12BB. Gotta kind of estimate the average of the stacks.

eeetee2011

i just read the OP and not the rest of the thread but fold is best shoving is very bad with all the short stacks due to icm if you are going to play the hand min raise/call short stacks min raise/fold to bigger ones but folding is best

darbday

will you follow icm here if it says shove? or will you go with your gut regardless because of the shorties?

also do you have everyone on really tight calling ranges, because I think we can have that assumption here.

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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.

eeetee2011

well i havent looked at the numbers but would bet money icm says not to shove but the main issue in this hand is being UTG you are just throwing 15bbs out there letting the 2 stacks that have you covered just pick you off with a premium hand thats why i thought min raising is the way to go if you want to play the hand if you think everyone is going to be really tight

darbday

earlier in this thread i posted a link to the hand setup in nash with the payouts. it can be adjusted like sng wiz if you haven't used it before

and with min raise folding, if we do fold and go through the blinds...we are gonna be left with a stack that we wish maybe we just jammed and took the risk with anyways

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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.

eeetee2011

good to know then for me Fold>>>>>>>Min raise>>Shove

darbday

thx

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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.